Yep. Relays know everything about you: your interests, the time you spent on each post, your IP/ location, etc.
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If that's the case then fucking fix it. If I can be tracked from NOSTR I'm out of here.
Yeah, the attack vector is much much larger than a centralized social platform.
Instead of Facebook or Twitter knowing everything about you (which at least they protect).
Here any rando could figure out a lot of things.
Guess I should really not use nostr without a vpn. Though now sure how much that helps.
Though VPNs somehow still leak a lot of information.
Servers can always track you. Relays are the same. That's why we avoid connecting to random relays. You MUST trust the relay operators in your relay list. If you don't trust them, don't use them. Find better ones.
But should the easy solution be.
If I see a note, and I quote it, the client should rebroadcast that not with my quote? Isn’t that just a thousand times simpler?
It doesn’t solve everything, but gets rid of some issues.
Thoughts on this nostr:npub1gcxzte5zlkncx26j68ez60fzkvtkm9e0vrwdcvsjakxf9mu9qewqlfnj5z ?
We already do that. :) others should do too.
Yeah, but clearly the client nostr:npub180cvv07tjdrrgpa0j7j7tmnyl2yr6yr7l8j4s3evf6u64th6gkwsyjh6w6 is using isn’t. lol now I I’m curious what he’s using?
*cough cough* nostr registries *cough cough* nostr:npub1m4ny6hjqzepn4rxknuq94c2gpqzr29ufkkw7ttcxyak7v43n6vvsajc2jl *cough* *cough*
first as an answer to centralized nips repository. Next as an answer to trusted relay operators and developers. Close will be our answer to DNS. Thoughts nostr:npub1gcxzte5zlkncx26j68ez60fzkvtkm9e0vrwdcvsjakxf9mu9qewqlfnj5z?
I am on board. We just need to keep moving on the right direction.
Can't wait for clients to run on notes.
I see you nostr:npub1c7rl7fykx80r0n65m2sca463n8kzv7yr5nhz52eh9vmyquv4whmqde8vcp.
This is what i'm referring to
Find better ones how exactly?
Is there a central trust list?
thats exactly what we're trying to move away from
Gotta do your research. Find each of your relay's operators, read their privacy policies and terms and conditions. You need to know who you are "in business with" and what they are and are not doing with your data. Don't delegate that due diligence to anyone else.
And always remember, if it's free, you are the product.
This is not easy for non tech people.
If you connect to a relay, that relay knows you connected (your IP address) and what questions you asked. This is EXACTLY like a web browser. Everytime you go to a website, that website knows you connected (your IP address) and what questions you asked (the URL).
People who insist on hiding their IP address use VPNs or Tor. This works perfectly well with nostr just like it works for the world wide web.
Trying to avoid connecting to some relays just makes nostr dysfunctional. This problem is outside of nostr, and nostr clients are just making the problem much more complicated than it needs to be by coding connect-based relay access control lists. Just tell the user to use a VPN or Tor if they are concerned about privacy.
As for AUTH, that makes more sense to me. You shouldn't just AUTH to a random relay. But fetch a note... I don't see what the big deal is.
Agree on Tor and on Auth. But we don't have a good/easy solution for Tor yet. Most people just use their regular connections on the go. So, I see as a massive privacy risk.
Literally ANY web service you use has this capacity. The only difference here is that its in the open. Many devs DO in fact advocate for privacy and security. nostr:npub1f6ugxyxkknket3kkdgu4k0fu74vmshawermkj8d06sz6jts9t4kslazcka is 🐏 and gives amazing tips and advice.
Know your threat model and how to work with it. No one else is going to hold your hand and do it for you.
I thought #nostr only recorded time and the content of posts? You’re saying individual relays can add their own trackers for other metrics if you choose to connect to them? I guess that makes sense, different servers/websites can use different analytics so why not relays.
Sure. They receive all requests you ask for from the app. They just need to save it.