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We've got some of that alignment already, like check out Faraz Adam and Seeker's Guidance for example. That gives me hope.

Muslim Bitcoiner 1mo ago

I think the alignment is mostly superficial.

Like yeah, mufti faraz Adam and Joe Bradford call bitcoin halal and at one point, they spoke favorably of it (especially during times when the cast majority of Muslim scholars were still calling it haram!) but I've been coming round to the realization that these alignments are useless, especially now that you've dragged me here to Nostr 😂

Seekers guidance, qalam institute, NAK, etc, are never going to embrace Bitcoin usefully like how we are doing it, because from their core worldview, none of these scholars and institutions care about individual sovereignty and carving out a path out of the permissioned surveillance state.

Of course, we should keep the channels of dialogue open, it's just... It's hard for me to keep believing we're on the same team as them when they've made no effort to even see Bitcoin maximalism or #DigitalHijra as valid concepts.

We're toxic cyber misfits with laser eyes, that's how they currently see us. As one Muslim Bitcoin Summit attendee, who is the Cofounder of Yaqeen Institute said "you guys came off as kind of like a cult"

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alp 1mo ago

That's really a shame. Especially NAK is so close to what we're talking about that you'd think he wouldn't have any issue with it. But we're just missing that bigger framework, that broader understanding we could use to spread our ideas under. Our topic has to break out of its purely technical box, because in the end, for the scholars, it's all "just tech" that they or anybody could skip if they wanted. They don't get yet that in this case, they actually need the tech to, like, follow the rule on avoiding Riba, and that it doesn't work with gold the way it used to. I think THAT's the real big challenge: Our tech isn't optional anymore, it's not some hobby or nice-to-have convenience. It's turned into a straight-up necessity. That's why, and only why, I respect the SAIF movement (a little bit 😏).

freedommachine 1mo ago

So true. people should know that cryptology is part of Aqida

ابو مريم 1mo ago

How's NAK's economic series progressing? I haven't caught up past the first 2 eps. Does he mention bitcoin at all?

But yes, this fundamental misunderstanding of technology is key and it boils down to key philosophical (read theological) deviations between Islam and western modernity (which like it or not is based on Christian principles). In fact, it goes beyond that all the way back to early Islamic disagreements over how the Islamicate manages property rights and whether the issue of riba should be applied there. And scholars basically given up on that debate centuries ago.