Good for you, although you can write the same thing replacing America with any other place. Sorry about that. In fact, this kind of feelings often derive to dangerous ideas.
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I think people should feel pride in their country. In their nation. I think it’s more dangerous to not.
a country/nation is basically just defined by an arbitrary line in the land
Nature disagrees with you.
appeal to nature fallacy
I didn't say it was good because it's a part of nature. I said that nature disagrees with you. That should be motivating for you to reassess your views. God literally disagrees with you and your response is "that's a logical fallacy"
Could there be something more reddit coded?
literally, sure...
"And he made from one man every nation of mankind to live on all the face of the earth, having determined allotted periods and the boundaries of their dwelling place"
"You may not put a foreigner over you, who is not your brother."
Your nation are your people. Your family.
You can believe whatever you want.
No one is stopping you from being completely wrong.
see we agree, it is arbitrary
i don't care if someone is a foreigner, black, speaks the same language, has similar anchestors or whatever arbitrary thing you want to take to define a nation. in the end we want to live in peace with each other, no need for made up borders or nations... every person is different
also no one is completely wrong, people have different opinions and view things from different perspectives. your view is not more right or wrong than mine is. but that is my opinion, you can of course disagree
I don't know how you came up with me saying it's arbitrary or that we agree on that. Or that borders or nations are "made up"
I'm not sure what you think saying something is "made up" will win you either.
Words are made up. We agree that they have certain meanings. If we didn't agree on that we wouldn't effectively communicate.
I mean I would like to live amongst people who look, speak, and act mostly like I do. But the more people who are manipulated into thinking like you for pretty silly reasons the less possible it is for me to get what I want.
Why should I be forced to live amongst people that don't share my values just because they're doing it "peacefully"? Why should anyone be able to move somewhere and change the social landscape of a place just because they're not doing it violently? Do you know what ethnocide is?
You're essentially saying that ethnocide is fine as long as the invaders are being nice about it. Are you not?
you posted the definition of a nation. now compare that with switzerland (4 languages, no common language) or the usa (people are coming from europe, were not born there, is full of different "races")
ask yourself for what are borders necessary? it is about control, authority, influence not about living with similar minded people in peace. what are you defending? it just creates divide between people/groups. you see it sometimes inside a country (left vs. right) and sometimes between countries. in these cases it is never about respecting the other and his view, it is always about: i am right and you are wrong
don't strawman me, i never said you should be forced to do anything. i am for the absolute opposite, i am against force and authority and also ethnocide. you live how you think is the right way to live and if you change yourself because your neighbour is not your ethnicity that is a you problem... take responsibility and don't put it on another group of "bad" people. that is maybe the essence: every human has different views and instead of accepting that, we are drawing arbitrary "borders" which divide us. arbitrary in a sense that it is a slippery slope, you can't define it. as demonstrated with the definition of a nation
at some point i stopped believing in the superstition called authority
Current countries are not nations. The goalposts have already been moved. These are basically just economic zones. Multiculturalism is a completely failed ideology.
Borders are necessary to preserve a people and their culture. Are current borders doing that? Well considering the countries of today are largely just controlled economic zones that are being harvested in the name of GDP then I'm not sure it makes a difference.
But I think this is where you're getting the idea that these things are arbitrary. From the current globalist nonsense that's been forced on the world.
The reality is there are irreconcilable differences between cultures and peoples that exist today. And those people will come into countries with malicious intent but make themselves appear peaceful. This is literally happening today in the United States.
I'm defending the original idea of a nation. I believe this concept has largely been robbed of us from globalists that are out to turn every nation into an open society. Mainly to place certain groups at the center of power under the guise of preventing the rise of "another Hitler."
I think those same groups have influenced people like you to take on the their battle of this no nations no borders bullshit.
I mean why should I respect a foreigner views on my country? Why would I take that seriously? That makes no sense. That's me disrespecting myself and my people. That's counterintuitive.
If you are against ethnocide you should be arguing in favor of borders and nations. That's just basic logic.
I like in a place that has had immigrants pour in by the millions in a very short amount of time. I didn't get a say in this. I don't get a say in whether or not they leave. I don't get a say in where they shop or where. They're being given money from my taxes to live off of. They're making traffic worse. Their culture is not similar to mine and they are not respectful of the people who are from here. They're invaders. And you're telling me if I change myself because of my neighbors that's a me problem? If I look out my window and see a war zone do you not think that should change me?
What exactly are you calling a strawman? Everything I said is happening in my country. You condoning ethnocide? You do. Or at least the concept of being against borders is diametrically opposed to preserving ethnic and cultural groups.
There will always be a dominant culture. If Hispanics start to outnumber whites in the United States then Hispanic culture will be the dominant one. If Muslims outnumber whites they'll be the dominant culture. If either of those things happen then we will see white culture be eradicated.
As much as you might not believe in authority other people do. You are NOT any authority to be making some sweeping call on how other people deal with being the dominant group in any place.
You are claiming you don't believe in authority while trying to convince me you're an authority on why nations are arbitrary.
You will probaly fail to see how retarded that is.
"You can't define it"
https://www.etymonline.com/word/nation
You can absolutely define it. It's defined.
Are you done arguing yet or do you have to continue to be wrong?
you're strawmanning left to right... i don't want to convince you, i couldn't care less what you think. there is no need to get personal
i looked for common ground. but i guess it is easier to see the other as an enemy, cause we don't agree on everything. sad...
Reddit ass response.
what's your obsession with reddit? never used it
either way: you're right, thanks for the exchange!
Invoking logical fallacies and not elaborating on what you believe they are is very reddit behavior. No borders no nations is a very reddit stance. Morality and niceness policing is pretty reddit.
i did but you ignored it. you were claiming things i never said and moved definitions around. it is hard to argue like that. we are going around in a circle and as i said, i don't want or need to convince you of anything
it is a little bit ironic that you use "reddit behavior" and "reddit stance", putting a whole lot of people in a single group. again creating a we vs them, needing a bogeyman. we are all human, no need for division
It's weird that you're saying that I'm putting people in an us vs them thing. It's like you're saying you're not part of a group that puts people in an us vs them thing which is an us vs them thing.
that is a strawman, you're implying things i never said
I'm not implying anything. You just said "putting a whole lot of people in a single group. again creating a we vs them"
And you're simultaneously saying "we are all human, no need for division"
Do you believe you don't do this? Do you put people into groups and make it we vs them?
Cause you just did.
According to your logic. I'm the type of person that puts people in groups and you are not. Unless of course you're saying you're a hypocrite?
huh? groups, plural. with one group there is no we vs them...
Are you a part of a group that doesn't group people yes or no?
Am I a part of a group that groups people yes or no?
we are turning in circles. same answer i have about borders. it doesn't help or add to my life. you are a human being. i am a human being. i don't put people in groups, for what? it doesn't help, it just divides... i repat myself again... it was even a mistake of mine saying we humans are a group, i don't see it like that, what does it matter? it doesn't, for me. you can use groups, put people in groups, draw borders. if you think it helps and enriches your life, do it, i am happy for you if it helps you
Yes but you put me in a group of people that puts people in groups. You did that. You do put people in groups. At least you did. That's why you're not answering the question and trying to find your way out of it. And you're saying "I'm not like that and you are" thus creating a us (non grouper people) vs them (people who group).
Like you can't just magically say you didn't do that. You did.
It's also human (oh I know we aren't supposed to group people now) nature.
Again this is exactly like you seeing yourself above the "superstition of authority."
You're playing pretend and then ridiculing others for not going along with your fantasyland nonsense.
To pretend as though we shouldn't be grouping people for one reason or another is asking to ignore biology, psychology, and culture.
You can "not see it like that" all you want. I can close my eyes and pretend I live in Disneyland too. It doesn't make it reality.
If humans aren't a group what are they? What's a species? Isn't that a grouping? Hmmm.
What's a race? Isn't that a grouping?
Do you just pick random words to take issue with for arbitrary reasons?
i said i was wrong. you just picking at me at this point. of course we use words to group things and put labels on it. what i meant to say is, that in certain situations it is needed and helpful. but in certain situations it doesn't help at all and divides us and creates an enemy image. and yes, these situations are arbitrary again
not sure it helps to tell you again: i have no intend to convince you of anything. i never mentioned anything from you shouldn't put people into groups. i just wanted to say that i don't find it useful to draw a line, call it border and every person on the other side is somehow so much different than i am. from my point of view it is arbitrary. nothing more. you can think whatever you want... i repeated that multiple times now...
Hey guys, this is nostr, not X
That's partly true, but I must agree with nostr:npub1rtlqca8r6auyaw5n5h3l5422dm4sry5dzfee4696fqe8s6qgudks7djtfs in the idea of pride, although not necessarily related to a political boundary. A nation is also an identity around culture, language, tradition, and whatever makes us feel a group. Some nations don't have a State, and have equally strong feelings (Catalonia, Kurdistan, Palestine, Valonia, Flanders, etc)
Your nation is your people. Your family.
