I’m not often proud of myself or self satisfied in anyway, but one thing I am proud of is my fundamental American-ness.

When people are like you’re an arrogant American I’m like “yes. Yes I am.”

It actually makes me happy when they say that lol

I am American to my core. I was raised on American principles by my father and grandfather who were both good Americans themselves.

I’m not confused about what America is. I’m not confused about what an American is or what it means to be one.

I have no real desire to learn much about my Irish or German roots.

I have no desire to travel outside of America. I mean I have and I will if necessary but like why? You know?

I love America. I’m a part of America. I want the best for America. I believe America is worth fighting for.

My daughter asked me what it means to be an American and I told her it means you can do whatever the fuck you feel like as long as you’re not harming another person.

That’s America.

Freedom. Something no one can ever take away from you. No matter what some dweeb in Washington tells you.

America is unruly. It’s restless. It’s chaotic. It’s beautiful. Like shockingly breathtakingly beautiful.

Reverence for personal liberty. Suspicion of the government. Fear of regulation. Fear of other people’s good intentions. Comfort with disorder over control. America motherfucker.

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I’m proud to be an American.

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Your understanding of America is retarded, absurd, and no better than a jeet using it as an economic zone:“buttt, buttt, I pay taxes!”

Feel free to correct where I’m wrong

Living on the land you love is the best choice.

Right there with you. All of the content I present regarding China comes from the perspective of a fully Red Blooded American. “this is what we are up against!”

It infuriates me to no end that China is out competing the United States. That isn’t the natural way of the world, not by a long shot. The average American needs to be fully unshackled and allowed to do what we do best. Build. Compete. Win.

It is that simple.

Pardon Samourai and fuck the Americans who stole their freedom

Absolutely

A nation under blackmail, ruled by pedophiles, that cares more about Israel than the United States, covers up the largest child sex trafficking ring in history, poisons its citizens food, I thought that’s what America was about…

Almost forgot the wars and genocides we support

The American government is not America

🤌🏻

or even American

Americans fear their government and fear the police!! And most of all they fear anything Israel, you can't even criticise Israel, it's a crime.

There's nothing more unamerican than that.

Sorry but you are not there yet, but keep fighting.

The version of America your describing sounds like what we were promised as kids. It sounds great

But let’s be real bro…

You gotta give like 40% of your income to the government or go to jail. They are rolling out palantir and mass surveillance systems here. All the boomers are fine in “America “ yea sure… but most young people can’t afford groceries much less ever get a house. We were sold the bill of goods that your referring to. But the whole thing is a scam. Its a false flag.

You say were you can do anything you want … as long as your not hurting anyone…. I call bull shit

You can’t even go fucking fishing without a license here anymore dog.

You can do whatever the fuck you want anywhere in the world if you don’t harm another person nothing American about that

Also 50-60% of prison population in US is non-violent offenders so how American is that?

lol no that’s fucking retarded. You have zero understanding of the way the world is. You can’t even tweet naughty words in Europe. You can’t buy gum in Singapore. You can’t drink in Saudi Arabia. Etc… etc…

But you also stated that you don’t have to listen to the dweebs in Washington so same goes anywhere else you don’t have to obey the dumb laws anywhere

Go drink alcohol in public in saudi and let me know how that goes

Go smoke weed in public in New Mexico and see how that goes

This is a terrible example lol New Mexico is a legal state bruh so in all likelihood absolutely nothing will happen to you worst case scenario you get a small fine.

I can’t keep up with all your fuckin state laws aren’t there a ton of ppl in prison in the US for cannabis related shit??

For dealing and distributing. Nobody goes to jail for using.

That’s good news

Um… women in Muslim countries have entered the chat

Yes America is def more free that women in Muslim countries no doubt

First travel is good for perspective. Second someone definitely can take your freedom. Third dweeb? That's funny.

No one can ever take your freedom.

Delusional

I mean... if you believe it hard enough it can be true to at least you.

No one can ever take your freedom?!?! Say what? The history of man is to take other’s freedom away from them. History 101. It can happen in America just as much as any other country in the world.

For one I think it is good Americans are interested in getting their country back to original values. I would further propose that a proper Christ-centric America would unleash a global Golden Age for all civilization.

We are not our government. 🦅🇺🇸

Good for you, although you can write the same thing replacing America with any other place. Sorry about that. In fact, this kind of feelings often derive to dangerous ideas.

I think people should feel pride in their country. In their nation. I think it’s more dangerous to not.

a country/nation is basically just defined by an arbitrary line in the land

Nature disagrees with you.

appeal to nature fallacy

I didn't say it was good because it's a part of nature. I said that nature disagrees with you. That should be motivating for you to reassess your views. God literally disagrees with you and your response is "that's a logical fallacy"

Could there be something more reddit coded?

literally, sure...

"And he made from one man every nation of mankind to live on all the face of the earth, having determined allotted periods and the boundaries of their dwelling place"

"You may not put a foreigner over you, who is not your brother."

Your nation are your people. Your family.

You can believe whatever you want.

No one is stopping you from being completely wrong.

see we agree, it is arbitrary

i don't care if someone is a foreigner, black, speaks the same language, has similar anchestors or whatever arbitrary thing you want to take to define a nation. in the end we want to live in peace with each other, no need for made up borders or nations... every person is different

also no one is completely wrong, people have different opinions and view things from different perspectives. your view is not more right or wrong than mine is. but that is my opinion, you can of course disagree

I don't know how you came up with me saying it's arbitrary or that we agree on that. Or that borders or nations are "made up"

I'm not sure what you think saying something is "made up" will win you either.

Words are made up. We agree that they have certain meanings. If we didn't agree on that we wouldn't effectively communicate.

I mean I would like to live amongst people who look, speak, and act mostly like I do. But the more people who are manipulated into thinking like you for pretty silly reasons the less possible it is for me to get what I want.

Why should I be forced to live amongst people that don't share my values just because they're doing it "peacefully"? Why should anyone be able to move somewhere and change the social landscape of a place just because they're not doing it violently? Do you know what ethnocide is?

You're essentially saying that ethnocide is fine as long as the invaders are being nice about it. Are you not?

you posted the definition of a nation. now compare that with switzerland (4 languages, no common language) or the usa (people are coming from europe, were not born there, is full of different "races")

ask yourself for what are borders necessary? it is about control, authority, influence not about living with similar minded people in peace. what are you defending? it just creates divide between people/groups. you see it sometimes inside a country (left vs. right) and sometimes between countries. in these cases it is never about respecting the other and his view, it is always about: i am right and you are wrong

don't strawman me, i never said you should be forced to do anything. i am for the absolute opposite, i am against force and authority and also ethnocide. you live how you think is the right way to live and if you change yourself because your neighbour is not your ethnicity that is a you problem... take responsibility and don't put it on another group of "bad" people. that is maybe the essence: every human has different views and instead of accepting that, we are drawing arbitrary "borders" which divide us. arbitrary in a sense that it is a slippery slope, you can't define it. as demonstrated with the definition of a nation

at some point i stopped believing in the superstition called authority

Current countries are not nations. The goalposts have already been moved. These are basically just economic zones. Multiculturalism is a completely failed ideology.

Borders are necessary to preserve a people and their culture. Are current borders doing that? Well considering the countries of today are largely just controlled economic zones that are being harvested in the name of GDP then I'm not sure it makes a difference.

But I think this is where you're getting the idea that these things are arbitrary. From the current globalist nonsense that's been forced on the world.

The reality is there are irreconcilable differences between cultures and peoples that exist today. And those people will come into countries with malicious intent but make themselves appear peaceful. This is literally happening today in the United States.

I'm defending the original idea of a nation. I believe this concept has largely been robbed of us from globalists that are out to turn every nation into an open society. Mainly to place certain groups at the center of power under the guise of preventing the rise of "another Hitler."

I think those same groups have influenced people like you to take on the their battle of this no nations no borders bullshit.

I mean why should I respect a foreigner views on my country? Why would I take that seriously? That makes no sense. That's me disrespecting myself and my people. That's counterintuitive.

If you are against ethnocide you should be arguing in favor of borders and nations. That's just basic logic.

I like in a place that has had immigrants pour in by the millions in a very short amount of time. I didn't get a say in this. I don't get a say in whether or not they leave. I don't get a say in where they shop or where. They're being given money from my taxes to live off of. They're making traffic worse. Their culture is not similar to mine and they are not respectful of the people who are from here. They're invaders. And you're telling me if I change myself because of my neighbors that's a me problem? If I look out my window and see a war zone do you not think that should change me?

What exactly are you calling a strawman? Everything I said is happening in my country. You condoning ethnocide? You do. Or at least the concept of being against borders is diametrically opposed to preserving ethnic and cultural groups.

There will always be a dominant culture. If Hispanics start to outnumber whites in the United States then Hispanic culture will be the dominant one. If Muslims outnumber whites they'll be the dominant culture. If either of those things happen then we will see white culture be eradicated.

As much as you might not believe in authority other people do. You are NOT any authority to be making some sweeping call on how other people deal with being the dominant group in any place.

You are claiming you don't believe in authority while trying to convince me you're an authority on why nations are arbitrary.

You will probaly fail to see how retarded that is.

"You can't define it"

https://www.etymonline.com/word/nation

You can absolutely define it. It's defined.

Are you done arguing yet or do you have to continue to be wrong?

you're strawmanning left to right... i don't want to convince you, i couldn't care less what you think. there is no need to get personal

i looked for common ground. but i guess it is easier to see the other as an enemy, cause we don't agree on everything. sad...

Reddit ass response.

what's your obsession with reddit? never used it

either way: you're right, thanks for the exchange!

Invoking logical fallacies and not elaborating on what you believe they are is very reddit behavior. No borders no nations is a very reddit stance. Morality and niceness policing is pretty reddit.

i did but you ignored it. you were claiming things i never said and moved definitions around. it is hard to argue like that. we are going around in a circle and as i said, i don't want or need to convince you of anything

it is a little bit ironic that you use "reddit behavior" and "reddit stance", putting a whole lot of people in a single group. again creating a we vs them, needing a bogeyman. we are all human, no need for division

It's weird that you're saying that I'm putting people in an us vs them thing. It's like you're saying you're not part of a group that puts people in an us vs them thing which is an us vs them thing.

that is a strawman, you're implying things i never said

I'm not implying anything. You just said "putting a whole lot of people in a single group. again creating a we vs them"

And you're simultaneously saying "we are all human, no need for division"

Do you believe you don't do this? Do you put people into groups and make it we vs them?

Cause you just did.

According to your logic. I'm the type of person that puts people in groups and you are not. Unless of course you're saying you're a hypocrite?

huh? groups, plural. with one group there is no we vs them...

Are you a part of a group that doesn't group people yes or no?

Am I a part of a group that groups people yes or no?

we are turning in circles. same answer i have about borders. it doesn't help or add to my life. you are a human being. i am a human being. i don't put people in groups, for what? it doesn't help, it just divides... i repat myself again... it was even a mistake of mine saying we humans are a group, i don't see it like that, what does it matter? it doesn't, for me. you can use groups, put people in groups, draw borders. if you think it helps and enriches your life, do it, i am happy for you if it helps you

Yes but you put me in a group of people that puts people in groups. You did that. You do put people in groups. At least you did. That's why you're not answering the question and trying to find your way out of it. And you're saying "I'm not like that and you are" thus creating a us (non grouper people) vs them (people who group).

Like you can't just magically say you didn't do that. You did.

It's also human (oh I know we aren't supposed to group people now) nature.

Again this is exactly like you seeing yourself above the "superstition of authority."

You're playing pretend and then ridiculing others for not going along with your fantasyland nonsense.

To pretend as though we shouldn't be grouping people for one reason or another is asking to ignore biology, psychology, and culture.

You can "not see it like that" all you want. I can close my eyes and pretend I live in Disneyland too. It doesn't make it reality.

If humans aren't a group what are they? What's a species? Isn't that a grouping? Hmmm.

What's a race? Isn't that a grouping?

Do you just pick random words to take issue with for arbitrary reasons?

i said i was wrong. you just picking at me at this point. of course we use words to group things and put labels on it. what i meant to say is, that in certain situations it is needed and helpful. but in certain situations it doesn't help at all and divides us and creates an enemy image. and yes, these situations are arbitrary again

not sure it helps to tell you again: i have no intend to convince you of anything. i never mentioned anything from you shouldn't put people into groups. i just wanted to say that i don't find it useful to draw a line, call it border and every person on the other side is somehow so much different than i am. from my point of view it is arbitrary. nothing more. you can think whatever you want... i repeated that multiple times now...

Hey guys, this is nostr, not X

Are you saying these types of topics are off the table here?

Not really. I just had the feeling that I was scrolling on Musk's platform again. Sorry about that. Please follow on.

What I like most of nostr, more than the general subject, is the general atmosphere.

So Libya and Germany are equivalents. No difference?

that is exactly what i said

Thought so

That's partly true, but I must agree with nostr:npub1rtlqca8r6auyaw5n5h3l5422dm4sry5dzfee4696fqe8s6qgudks7djtfs in the idea of pride, although not necessarily related to a political boundary. A nation is also an identity around culture, language, tradition, and whatever makes us feel a group. Some nations don't have a State, and have equally strong feelings (Catalonia, Kurdistan, Palestine, Valonia, Flanders, etc)

Your nation is your people. Your family.

Strong TK vibes. Nice.

If you are not proud of your culture you are not going to preserve it.

Exactly

A country tailor-made thanks to the knowledge gathered elsewhere in the world and brought there for the sole purpose of competing with the old, and not so old, European imperialisms.

I don't know what there is to be proud of, beyond being born there and feeling part of its poor and young culture.

It's not that I'm proud of another country and think they deserve more respect; honestly, I think it's all rotten.

Pride in one’s circumstances is becoming. It implies ownership. Which implies care. Pride in accomplishment is vain.

You got it exactly backwards 😘

In the post you're correct, where you're not talking about pride, but about loving what god has entrusted to you.

There is pride as a form of satisfaction for something done well. That is not sinful; it is the feeling behind a self-reinforcing mechanism to better oneself.

Then there is pride as a form of vanity, like jealousy but with the participants reversed. That is sinful; it is the feeling behind a mechanism to cause jealousy in others, because they weren't gifted (by god) with the same circumstances that you (undeservedly) were.

IOW being boastful-proud of something you did nothing to achieve, is sinful. Being satisfied-proud with the result of one's actions, is without sin.

Being proud of achievement is somewhat sinful in my view. You should be humble in achievement. Keep your head down in success and your head up in failure kind of thing.

the european mind cannot comprehend

😂🤣

I’m bitmerican🟧

You had me until “do whatever the fuck you feel like as long as you’re not harming another person”.

While that’s true, I’m starting to agree with this line being satan-coded. You can choose to, but should you? I think it’s important to also disclaim that America was founded on the principles of extreme accountability. Oh, you want to do whatever you want? Even if it doesn’t hurt anyone? Well you’re going to deal will 100% of the consequences yourself too. I think we’ve strayed far, far away from that as well.

I would add,(if we are talking about it’s citizens) very compassionate/giving.

If there is any tragedy in the world or here at home. Its citizens typically give/help freely and quickly.

Have you read how to care for her, America… the most beautiful girl in the world? Here’s the citizen training manual for a Republic. https://amzn.to/49q3h4i

This implies that you believe you don’t have to be born in America to be American, which as an immigrant I agree with. I see myself as more American than at least half of the native born.

I believe immigrants who come to America because they believe in americas principles and values are American. If they come here looking to tear down America I do not consider them American.

To be fair I came here when I was 4. But bitcoin took me down the rabbit hole of becoming American 26 years later.

Loving a place isn’t about pretending it’s perfect. It’s about understanding its contradictions and still choosing it. That kind of clarity is rare.

Loving a nation-state because you happened to be born there is sad.

If you like American principles and morality, cool. Bit thinking it's better than other nation states is just playing into the culture wars that hamper human progress.

I’m pretty sure America is definitively better than Somalia. You’d disagree?

I’m sure it’s better to live on Earth than the Sun.

America is objectively better tho. It’s the reason people from every other nation on earth live here and come here.

My family migrated to Mexico from America four generations ago, and they're staying there. Not because Mexico is legally freer, but because Mexico is freer in practice because the laws are never enforced.

I'm the only one in America.

For example ... If you want to build a house i nMexico, you build it. No need to get permits and inspections. Nobody pays income tax, even though there is 30% federal income tax. Want a water well .. you just drill it and hide it. Nobody gets well permits up front. They drill and hope they can get a permit in the future. If not .. oh well.

However, the water thing might change with the Mexican federal government declaring ownership of all the water in Mexico, but I presume that those with permits might lose their wells, and those with illegal wells will continue to have them.

Guns are illegal, but everyon has them. It's a fairly lawless conutry, and the closest thing to the Libertarian ideal that I've ever lived. People are more concerned about what the Cartels will do than what the government wil do.

I used to live in Mexico for 3 years. It's a beautiful land with humble, funny, and hard-working people.

No bullshit health and safety laws, but that has pitfalls too. I picked up some stories (and even wrote a few).

It's not a competition, but if you work remotely, Mexico is a more attractive place to live than the US for me.

I think you may need to examine the definition of 'objective'.

A friend of mine (an immigrant) told me "America is a great place to be a winner... but not everyone can be one."

People of all nations think they're better than others. That's human nature.

That's what makes nation-state loving such a 'normie' perspective for me.

Well, I guess I don't feel the need to put my country of birth in my handle...

My eyes hurt after being exposed to the dissonance in this post.

Where’s the dissonance

You have published a long post drawing praises to the place with the most cancerously large, most aggressive, most gaslightning state ever, as being the place where you can get freedom and liberty.

Hence the dissonance.

Hodl, unfortunately is not very educated and he uses this to his advantage. Most never question him because he shields himself with this fake cloak of “freedom fighting American”.

The Constitution is one of the greatest papers ever written.

However, I think that it’s better to take a state-by-state approach. For example, I don’t think that California is a place anyone should live. But that’s the great thing about the US. The states are different from each other.

I hope the US stays that way. Now it’s on the same path as the EU. It’s little by little becoming The Soviet Union.

blessed

i want my right protected by America

i want my rights protected by America

i know US protects me

now we need to make it legal

soon

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us is my army

us will help us to make it

"My daughter asked me what it means to be an American and I told her it means you can do whatever the fuck you feel like as long as you’re not harming another person.

That’s America."

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blessed

Life, Liberty, & The Pursuit of Happiness 🇺🇸

💯. Unapologetic American is the best America! 🚁😁

You know what’s more American than never leaving? Realizing everywhere else is just America with worse execution and different accents

I wouldnt bet on this.

How is Papau New Guinea just American with a different accent and worse execution?

Fair. That line was too sweeping. What I meant was…the principles you’re describing (suspicion of authority, comfort with chaos, reverence for liberty) aren’t uniquely American inventions. They show up everywhere humans resist control. We just happened to build a system around them. PNG isn’t America badly executed, it’s a different answer to different problems.

I dont agree with travel part. You should and you must.

I mean the USA is beautiful but so is the rest of the world.

Maybe it opens your perspective on different cultures...

Then you would see that the other cultures are also to admire...

It should be your duty to travel the world and see how other people live so you can have some compassion and ability to understand other cultures. Americans can be very egocentric even though we all share a spaceship called earth.

The idea of America is great, the execution not so much.

Even China’s name for America is “Beautiful Country”. Just don’t get the land and the people mixed up with the politicians

we just need to get pfizer out of our cheese

Love this, also want to point out that Washington DC is Not America, or American anymore

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Ah fuck you convinced me. I’ll migrate. lol

We’re just getting started.

As someone that immigrated to the US and naturalized I'm all in with Ms. America. I'm not especially proud of the our Government leaders, right now and I get by knowing they are but a fleeting moment in the history of our country.

This country is my home, it's where my children were born and where I choose to be. I'll stand by democracy and the foundations on which the United States were built.

I too am proud to be American.

P.S, I agree with an earlier comment that traveling outside the US is a must. It makes me appreciate returning home knowing that American's aren't the only ones dealing with new-world shit.

Heritage America isn’t a “conspiracy.” It’s a pipeline.

https://stacker.news/items/1403374/r/Yermin

Same.

I don’t love statism,

but I do love America.

I also love Chicago.

I love my family.

I love my neighbors.

I love my neighborhoods.

I love Chopin, the tiny Polish theatre in Wicker Park where I tried my first Pączki and watched a full length film with UChicago students in their native language.

I love the tiny Christian college where I meditated with Tibetan monks.

I love Ruth Page, the ballet school I went to on Dearborn where I got yelled at in Russian and French by my dance teachers who were often immigrants from the Soviet era.

I love Red Bud in Michigan where me and a bunch of my trashy moto friends gather for 4th of July every year to watch dirtcycles race.

I love Badlandz where sometimes we fuck each other with paintball guns while we ride ATVs, SxS, and pitbikes.

I love the inner city poetry slams where the BIPOC community puts out some of the soulful art I’ve ever encountered.

I love Notre Dame, the Catholic college where we light candles in Mary’s Grotto before we watch the best football.

I love the New Mexican rez where you certainly are reminded that magic, without a doubt, is real.

To be American is to be deeply rooted in a paradoxically collective and ruggedly individualistic culture that outwardly looks vastly different but inwardly means to be wholly aligned with a fundamental value system that says- we love freedom, we love liberty, we love prosperity, and we protect this space that we have carved out as ours despite what we look, speak, or pray like while we welcome, with warmth, others who share in those values.

That is humanity at its best.

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I don’t even know why someone need to say this on

Social

Media that he loves his country

You are constantly talking about being better than everyone else.

This is my problem with American hodl

💯

Same

If you want to hyper drive your patriotism, check out The Fat Electrician stories. Our history is filled with men of courage.

For instance, George Washington one of the total bad asses of our history.

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Try having fun on a frozen lake in the USA. Seems no democracy is short of its silly elements. Stay humble. nostr:note12ehc5yl6euajxuknfr402rcth7wxy00nplduww5vfcku64nx2wxqzn54x8

America, the freest country in the world, where you're not even allowed to drink a beer on the street.

lol this doesn’t work on me. I live in a place where you can drink beer on the street.

Good for you :)

Yes I can drink beer on the street with a gun on my waist. While talking shit about the government. Can you say the same?

No. But I live under state tyranny where I am forbidden from drinking while openly carrying a gun on my hip and another concealed in my shoulder holster while talking shit about the government…but because I manufacture my own firearms, I can do this within 1000 ft of a federally funded school.

But state laws vary. If I lived in Nevada, I could drink a beer at the same time, but not here.

+1

In most of America you can’t

I'm down with the positive aspects of what America stands for and symbolizes. As a brit living in Europe there's a lot to like about the forward looking, positive, competitive mindset that is generally intrinsic to your culture. I'm less down with some of the lack of self-awareness that can show up, and I'd say in general travelling to gain experience of other cultures is highly enlightening and not to be underestimated if you want to appreciate what's going on the world and how other people are both similar and different to oneself. Just my two pennies ;)

I know who I'm betting on