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A lot of cynics here, but your sentiment is not lost on all of us. It think we can acknowledge both that the experiment has gone awry and that, especially early on in the experiment, people really did sacrifice for freedom.

Adam Dunlap ⚡️ 1mo ago 💬 1

I agree with some of this. But the final conclusion not so much. What country is better than the USA? Where else would you rather live? As long as the answer is nowhere else, then the experiment has succeeded even if it hasn’t lived up to the highest potential.

There is an argument that the expansion to the West extended the experiment.

There is an argument that technology created new variables that the founding fathers did not foresee and thus did not safeguard against.

I do not think either of these arguments mean the experiment failed. The experiment seems to have worked well. Sounds like we need a new experiment. Perhaps it will happen on Mars.

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Sam 1mo ago 💬 1

I hear you, I do think that success is not the best way to frame it. Is the country we are living in faithful to what the vision of the US founding fathers and those who have died in wars? I think we could agree that answer is certainly not. Just because a lot of good has come from it doesn’t justify broken means to achieve that end. I don’t think the goal was to be the least bad global option or the lesser of evils. I think the point is less to bash or be ungrateful for the US and more to follow in the footsteps of those who formulated the experiment and would not stand for the same old systems that deny individuals liberty and justice. I think statements like nostr:nprofile1qqsp4lsvwn3aw7zwh2f6tcl6249xa6cpj2x3yuu6azaysvncdqywxmgprpmhxue69uhhyetvv9ujuumwdae8gtnnda3kjctvqyg8wumn8ghj7mn0wd68ytnhd9hx2lcd0fn and the videos you see posted of these war veterans saying this outcome was not worth the sacrifice are less complaining and more echoing the founders call to reform (or maybe even prune) the broken parts of the system to recapture faithfulness the the experiment in means and ends.

Adam Dunlap ⚡️ 1mo ago

The vet video was from the UK.

If success is not the best framing what is? Progress? That too is a plus for America.

America is going backwards. Zoom out. What it has created is wonderfully. If the 50s or the 90s or some decade you love is the peak and we are rolling backwards, then that’s that. I don’t think it is. I think great things are ahead. If we didn’t have bitcoin id be doubtful but we do.