Replying to Avatar Derek Ross

Are Paid Relays a Shitcoin?

Last night on Nostr Spaces, we discussed potential implications of paid relays. I believe we Nostriches all understand that paid relays are needed for 1) to pay for the service that we're using as nothing should be free 2) relay operators need funds to pay for relay hardware infrastructure and 3) to thwart spammers.

#[0] said that he thought that paid relays were Shitcoins. What did he mean?

With a Shitcoin, anyone can create one. There is no Proof-of-Work in this process. The creator makes promises about their current offerings or future offerings. And lastly, they want payment and take user's money.

#[1] mentioned that he believed paid relays should operator on a Web-of-Trust model. What does this mean?

Do you know the relay operator? Do they have an older or well known Nostr public key? Did they previously run a free relay? Do reputable people use and recommend this relay? It's fairly easy now to form a Web-of-Trust with well known actors in this space and community.

As we move forward, we do need to watch for scams. A relay and operator could appear out of nowhere. A relay could promise the moon on speed and resources. That relay and relay operator could also disappear in a day or a week or a month, after they've reached their fund raising goal.

Right now, using Nostream to operate a paid relay at least requires a ZBD developer account. This is right now behind a gatekeeper. #[2] needs to approve relay API access. This will get easier in the future. In the future, Nostream will work with other providers and I would assume even end up working with your own node. In the future, we'll need to be more diligent when choosing paid relays.

Start building your Web-of-Trust now.

Id say shitty paid relays are a shitcoin...good relays are not πŸ€·β€β™‚οΈ

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how do you recognize a "shitty paid relay"? πŸ˜‰

Well, nostr.bitcoiner.social floods my global with trash...other paid relays i have dont. Thats my only frame of reference at the moment.

nostr.bitcoiner.social isn't paid is it? i used it for the first month here but removed it because it was super slow and laggy.

Isn't that a free relay?

Yes. It is free.

Thank you for your paid relay, sir! Definitely not a shitcoin πŸ˜‰

Thanks for trying it. I appreciate you spreading the word 🍷

My main concern with the relay model is that it is a gateway to creating exclusive areas on Nostr that only wealthier individuals or well-connected vips may get access to. Let's say someone creates a paid relay that requires a large sat payment to join. What then? It possibly becomes elitist.

My goal is to keep bridging the gap between paid and public relays. Client side delay options will help do the same.

See our work: https://github.com/nostr-wine/filter-relay/blob/main/README.md

Client side relay* options

I think it's native to think that this won't happen. It's an open protocol. Anything can happen.