We made 610 Bitcoins anonymous with a single coinjoin transaction: https://mempool.space/tx/fb596c9f675471019c60e984b569f9020dac3b2822b16396042b50c890b45e5e
Stack sats, stay private.
Number of inputs: 327
Number of outputs: 279
Value: 610.74252451 BTC
Fee rate: 50.53 sats/vbyte
Input anonset: 4.48
Output anonset: 7.15
Sorry to say but everyone can clearly see that four out of five utxos are linked to the first input address 😅
BRUTAL
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Who would mix 104 BTC like that?
You can't hide with that amount
Good luck when compliance/KYC needs to know to source of funds.
Why Bitcoin at all if you just adopt this sort of cuck mentality.
Isn't it obvious that first 2 inputs are linked to first 7 outputs? What kind of anonymity did these achieve in this transaction?
how is it obvious? honest question
damn that's big
Will I be getting similar forward-looking privacy if I peg-in to Liquid, keep L-BTC for a while, and then peg-out, in a couple of transactions, back to BTC, to new addresses in a new account?
The cost is 0.1% one way.
Coins will not be tainted or tagged as conjoined.
Could it be a good option?
That works, except that the Liquid functionaries who sign the transactions know which address pays to which address, so there is a small risk that they could be compromised and you would not be private.
It's still linked
Try using lightning (no record on the block chain). Or even mix it up. LN-LN-liquid-onchain
If you're using custodial wallets like WoS or even Phoenix and Zeus they can see everything because they do the routing for you. You should at least use different wallets for the LN hops. For the swap back to onchain you should split up the amount and stagger timing too.
I think nostr:npub1xnf02f60r9v0e5kty33a404dm79zr7z2eepyrk5gsq3m7pwvsz2sazlpr5 does local route calculation, correct me if I'm wrong.
Correct
Done right its better than using wasabi
I think these multi chain swaps are going to be less private, more expensive, and slower than Wasabi...
I would disagree, in wasabi you really require multiple rounds for privacy improvement, which adds up costs as well.
Swaps require multiple transactions as well, especially when you want to protect against the service providers.
I guess I could also, I tested it but I don't know if it makes sense to do at scale, use fixedfloat .com to send Bitcoin lightning and get Monero
Then, after a while, reverse: send Monero to get Bitcoin again, on lightning
Then send from lightning to on chain cold wallet
But this is slowly getting expensive, fixed float 0.5 percent each way
Lightning fees and monero fees are negligible
Bitcoin one on chain fee I would need to pay for anyway, in this scenario, to exit from lightning, in base scenario to move from hot to cold wallet
I'm probably overcomplicating it
You probably need multiple monero transactions inbetween the swaps.
Could be simply to myself, to the next receiving address from the same monero wallet?
Yes, it's called churning. Remember amounts and receivers are completely hidden from the blockchain. The only thing visible are senders, but theyre obfuscated thru ring rigs.
1 transaction is 1 in 16 chance = ~6% chance to guess that you're the sender
2 transactions = ~0.4%
3 transactions = ~0.02%
...etc
I would stagger your self sends over time, not back to back. Less than a cent to transact anyways.
And over time youre automatically chosen as decoys for the transactions of others - further compounding your obfuscation to a ridiculous degree
Sure, but it's less than a cent per transaction. And the longer you wait the more likely you'll automatically be chosen as a decoy for others without even having to make a transaction.
Yes, but I'm more concerned about total block space usage, as this is what's tricky to scale. If monero would get more users, it would result in higher fee for block space too.
