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It definitely does not go against all research we have. I'm pretty sure there's a ton of research on low-carb and ketogenic diets, and you'd have to take a good look at the studies on Mediterranean diets as well.

Bunnyman 5d ago

There is a lot of research on keto and the results are mixed compared to Mediterranean diet. That’s not to say that one can’t live healthily doing keto or including meat in their diet, but the unwanted effects of meat are cumulative. My first comment was strong and I was just having a laugh.

But if I’m not just being purely facetious -

a/ red and some processed meats are carcinogenic and saturated fat should be limited and b/ whole grains are good for you and they don’t need to be limited. This research is undisputed (excluding “influencers”) and I understand people really want to see their diet represented by an FDA approved chart, but that doesn’t make it scientific, and I’m merely pointing out that our top and longest studies have found Mediterraneans to have optimal health and long lives and they have emphasis on different foods than this than this arrangement.

At the end of the day nobody follows the guidelines anyway so it doesn’t really don’t matter, but to say eat as much meat as you want consequence free just doesn’t reflect the quite unanimous research we have.

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FiddleHodlHomestead 5d ago

Can you show me a good study on the benefits of a Mediterranean diet?

Bunnyman 5d ago

I’m not a nutritionist, and I cannot interpret the data correctly. I also think that a lot of the disagreements in nutrition come down to people who cannot interpret data correctly deducing absolute opinions from the data. Therefore I try to follow people who are qualified and unbiased, and do not talk in absolutes, who can interpret the data well and then merely show what the data represents. I try to avoid anybody telling me that any diet is the absolute unquestionable optimal one, even though I follow what is considered a niche diet, I don’t dismiss other diets and think most can be done healthily in some way or another.

I think the guy at nutrition made simple does a great job at this and he basically goes thru studies in a fairly unbiased manner and tells you what they suggest.

FiddleHodlHomestead 5d ago

nvm! no reason for us to start digging up studies. I've seen a lot of them but don't have any at my fingertips.

Personally I do very badly on grains (oddly enough rice in particular) and I thrive on a zero carb diet. It's not for everyone, but it works very well for a whole lot of people.

Given the state of metabolic health in the US, a shift away from carbs seems like a good idea to me, but I think the main problem is highly processed food. Unfortunately I don't see that going away any time soon.

Sounds like you do well on Mediterranean. Great- so much good food in that mix. Best to you -

Bunnyman 5d ago

I would assume that we agree on a lot in regards to nutrition and realistically I am being very nit picky! because at the end of the day if people ate this way as advertised in the pyramid it would be far better the average SAD diet.

And I want to make it clear that I’m not even advocating for my diet, (im whole foods plant based) I’m simply advocating for what I think the research points towards and following the data over biases - of which the Mediterranean is always the clear victor, and it includes some but minimal animal products, which I don’t eat. I think my diet is best for me, but I think the best general diet to be prescribed for a large population without individual consideration would be Mediterranean - purely based on research. That’s not to say Individuals like us may consider keto, plant based or anything other diet more healthy for our selves and be able to eat optimally (or conversely some can find ways to do it unhealthily!) within that framework. I just wouldn’t prescribe those specific diets that as a general diet unless followed optimally (which generally just includes adding more Mediterranean aspects back in).

And I largely agree with you, but I’d just point out that most carbs in modern day food are ultra processed and usually are lumping unprocessed quality grains in with them which just muddies the “carbs” picture in a way that is unhelpful.

Anyways, all this is to say, I’m not arguing with you, just stating where I’m coming from (and like I said, it’s nit picky and I don’t disagree with anything you said)