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That does not appear to line up.

I used kiwi.com on the fastest flight mode. If I take this map as the map you'd argue that the netherlands is roughly half the distance if we take a logical direct route that is predominantly over land. Would be over the US and then towards the netherlands.

https://cdn.nostrcheck.me/8f98585d1b3a822deabb2acb0041c5d3dddbf4e15fd430c50d73599ea08b519c.webp

So if this map lines up you now expect sydney to be roughly twice that length especially if it avoids the big open ocean and follows the landmass. But when I try to book the fastest flight its actually shorter not longer.

https://cdn.nostrcheck.me/ceab1f54cd07c9b197b8452aed7e67b8f7cbc4a54c454eac24417fae32984ff0.webp

Now I get it, there is a stop involved to the netherlands and that may not be a fair comparison. Since the stop is in paris and thats geographically close ill also toss that one in to keep it direct flights only.

https://cdn.nostrcheck.me/8109676b359cdb19dcc942157b1eb4c650f28740eacd66fa1d375bb2fb8738b0.webp

That is still a few hours longer than the trip to sydney. I don't see how that would be possible if this is the right map, even if we account for flight path differences it would still not line up with the fact its twice the distance on that map.

So to me this can only mean that the map you provided is not the right one. You'd expect the flight thats twice the distance to not be a direct flight and to have stops in paris also.

mar 3mo ago 💬 2

You’re assuming the flights are planned on a flat earth, but they’re not. Airlines follow globe-based navigation, routes, and flight times, because that’s the model they’ve built everything around. Of course it “lines up” with the round map, it has to, otherwise the system would collapse and be exposed. That doesn’t mean the flat earth map is wrong, it just shows how tightly controlled the industry is. The real routes and ranges are hidden behind that system.

The airlines is locked into the globe model and manipulates schedules, speeds and flight paths to make everything look consistent. Passengers only see the final numbers, not real distances.

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Henky!! 3mo ago

To me that's not a logical explanation and doesn't seem sustainable. Globe based routes are only possible if physics allow for it so they can't chart along global lines. Would take only one firm to go rogue and allow more expensive tickets at a faster pace which surely would have happened by now. And even if they didn't a hobby pilot would have noticed by now or we'd have had a fuel consumption schandal with all the emission alarmism thats going on in the world.

I had to dig a bit as theres not to many flights going, but right now we have QFA28's flight path shown on flightradar. I can confirm that flight radar is accurate, someone I know that does airplane photography uses this to track planes he wishes to photograph so the plane locations on the map line up with where he expects them to be.

https://cdn.nostrcheck.me/2f7ff8a2d05533560e7d76578fc2b5028ca6cad2ca51fc790b90570cbf0b6ca9.webp

As you can see its a direct route along the global lines yes, its crossing the maps border to end up on the other side in a direct route over water. Not only isn't this possible on your map, if I mentally adjust the flight path to avoid passengers seeing land mass during the fight you would need to trace the outer circle of your map which would make the flight even longer and far more dangerous. They'd basically be somewhere in between europe and antartica to pull that one off otherwise passengers would see it immediately.

And this is a flight you could book yourself of course, all the data I am using in my argument I screenshotted while typing this out. This is not old data, you can verify all the coordinates for yourself if you want to. You can verify the tickets if you want to. You can buy a ticket if you want to. And if you have wifi on board you could even track the radar in real time if you want to.

Flight speed here is 492kts at the moment which is slower than some of the ones I see flying to europe.

mar 3mo ago 💬 2

What do you mean it's not possible on my map? Argentina to New Zeland is possible on my map. You can fly over the ocean avoiding North America or you can fly over North America.

The globalists bankers control the corporations and flight corporations. No rogue firm is going to expose anything or just anything to their advantage. Just like no one has exposed the ponzi fiat banking system.

Why don't you hop on a plane and test it out. Make a video and tell us outcome. It's that easy.

Henky!! 3mo ago

I'm not that invested and I also can't stand flying. I'm not trying to proof anything, I am asking for proof.

So far I have one map and real time radar (I forgot to include the source info in my last post its here : https://www.flightradar24.com/QFA28/3c5063e0 ) and both of these line up with the claims of the global map.

You made an argument I can't verify where you claim that the flight speeds are being manipulated. Ground radar is a thing, theres networks where plane spotters use their own radars to track flights as well, its called adsb. Theres another website called adsb exchange where that data is combined available here https://globe.adsbexchange.com/ but since thats hobbyist ground radar it won't show you intercontinental planes as those will be out of range. Still, these can be useful if you wish to validate the flightradars website speed measures for yourself.

Now I am open to the earth being flat, one explanation could be that the polarization of the earth is not equal to the middle point and that there is another map that lines up if we take south america as the middle point for example. But i'd wanna know which map that is before I believe it. Because for me personally a grand conspiracy that every plane and plane tracking system in the world is rigged is to unlikely.

If you want to find out more about the adsb software to check it for backdoors you can probably use https://github.com/rickstaa/awesome-adsb as a starting point.

Gives you a few feasible paths to proof your theories to me i'd say as you can find a more accurate map, find the backdoored code on github or find planes where adsb's open data is different from flightradar24 in ways that proofs your speed spoof theory.

Either way even if we disagree in the end I hope you find that my arguments are in good faith, as I did as much as I can to provide trackable sources of what I base my opinion on.

mar 3mo ago 💬 2

Flat earth isn't about believing someone. It's about doing your own research and finding out the information yourself.

You want me to give you the correct map? What makes you think i would have the correct map on hand. The map is gave you is the map many of us suspect it looks like but since we don't have a team and money. How can we know the truth.

It's like asking you, to give me the correct map for the globe earth. There is no way for you to get the correct map, you just have to trust the current maps online made by someone else.

Of you want the correct map you will have to do the research yourself.

Henky!! 3mo ago

I gave it to you actually (minus size differences as the way thats mapped to a flat page isn't accurate you'd have to use a round one for that), the one used by the flight radar systems lines up with the corresponding flight times so you have an interactive globe map with the planes mapped on to it including path tracking and speed statistics.

You can do it for free also in the same way I did it with the globe map. Just go to a booking website like kiwi or kayak, use your intuition to see what the middle point might be to where the flight times align and see if a flat earth map can be made where it physically makes sense. We don't need a plane to do that, tickets and tracking both satellite feeds (if you trust them, I do so it can be used to argue against me) and thousands of independant ground radars are available as I have proven.

Because I did do the research on this after watching a flat earth video, it was actually the speaker in the video that gave me the idea to do this as he claimed it would proof once and for all flat earth was real as I would not be able to find flight paths that correspond to the longest routes on the flat earth map. I then tried this myself and it convinced me the globe map was correct. So its not trough lack of will that I defaulted to there being a globe, I listened to a whole video about this cool theory about how antartica is actually an ice barrier to make it unfeasible to reach the edge of the dome and all kinds of cool logic to back things up. But it didn't held up to scrutiny when I tried his own test.

Hence its now my open question to flat earthers, I do appreciate that you actually answered. That was genuinely the first time. I just was hoping for something more conclusive rather than speculation. Considering you seem so vocal about it I assumed you'd have these details at hand. You even agreed before I looked up the tickets that the flight we tried this with would be the longest flight. You did not warn me beforehand that this wouldn't be an accurate way of testing, neither did you back up the theory that the flight speeds are rigged up or debunk the ground radar speed data.

So ultimately I am not convinced and do encourage you to investigate all these data points. Maybe you will find something interesting. If not, then we will probably have to agree to disagree.

mar 3mo ago 💬 1

I'm not here to convince you.

It's called Flat Earth "theory"

It's a theory, Theories are not proven. It's up to you to do the research and prove it yourself.

You won't get any conclusive evidence from flat earthers because there is none. It's all speculation. There is no way to get hard evidence without lots of money and resources.

Laeserin 🇻🇦 3mo ago

You can tell the Earth is round because things in the distance appear and disappear below the horizon, depending upon how high or low you are standing in a tower, or whether you are standing up or lying down.

But you are a very advanced troll, it's true.