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iOS has nothing the do with it. The issue is primal’s business practices

MAHDOOD 11mo ago

The android version of primal doesn’t need an email to use the wallet.

iOS wants to get a cut of zaps because they consider it to be a purchase. That was the issue Will dealt with on damus. So primal made a tradeoff by allowing people to buy sats through strike which would give Apple a cut. But if you just deposit then you can get around that requirement and Apple doesn’t get shit. Since strike is holding the sats for you, they require an email for a one time code verification. I believe that is to prevent spam. iOS is the problem.

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I disagree with you there. What about all the other clients available on ios that let you use nwc or other kyc free wallets? What about yakihonne on ios that has a wallet thats no kyc.

MAHDOOD 11mo ago

Will talked about that on his last show with walker on the Bitcoin podcast. iOS is random with who they target and are very inconsistent. They are also not really clear about their terms and don’t have a proper process to challenge their decision. He literally said it was just a matter of luck that some were targeted, like him, and others were not.

Their practices with lightning arent the best I agree. But that doesnt mean that what Primal does is without flaw

Like I said, Semisol can explain this way better. He’s done a lot of research on the subject. And hes a nostr dev too

MAHDOOD 11mo ago

Dev for who?

nostrnests, nostr.land family of relays, and other projects

MAHDOOD 11mo ago

It’s not. Nothing is. It’s all tradeoffs. The decision Will made was not great for damus. That’s why most iPhone users join nostr through primal. It’s why mcd still can’t zap notes 😂

McD cant zap notes because of his own choice. But he can zap profiles. And his identity is not tied to his npub

MAHDOOD 11mo ago

Neither is mine 🤷‍♂️

Mine either. But there’s probably a bunch of newcomers who put their info in willingly. And are on some primal excel spreadsheet now

MAHDOOD 11mo ago

I have a burner email that is in the trash sitting on their excel list. It doesn’t tell them anything about who I am 🤷‍♂️

It has received one email and nothing else.

You’re forgetting the other half of my message. What about the people that did give the real info

MAHDOOD 11mo ago

No one forced them to. How many of these people did the same thing on X? Most just don’t care. It’s unfortunate but that’s reality. Most people still use coinbase or kraken lol

That doesnt mean that what primal is doing is right. Coinbase argument is invalid. Dont care maybe. Dont know better maybe closer to reality.

MAHDOOD 11mo ago

Never said it was right. I just don’t think these practices lead to the EEE conclusion.

semisol 11mo ago

They have added their own nonstandard caching protocol, completely don’t work with private relays, and are extending the protocol in nonstandard ways. Now all that remains is closing the exits.

MAHDOOD 11mo ago

Who has the authority to say what the standard way is?

How can they close the exits?

Who has the authority to say what BIPs are used for bitcoin?

semisol 11mo ago

The majority implementation

Exactly

MAHDOOD 11mo ago

Is that how nostr works too?

MAHDOOD 11mo ago

No one

So why are there quite a few used in bitcoin core for example?

MAHDOOD 11mo ago

That’s the consensus I’m guessing. But you can still use others and be forked off.

BIPs are not my area of expertise. Not sure how that relates to nostr.

It relates to nostr because we have nips. Nostr improvement proposal. There’s consensus for those too. Primal is not following consensus with a lot of its developments.

MAHDOOD 11mo ago

But I don’t think we need consensus on nostr the way we need it on Bitcoin. Primal doing its own thing doesn’t seem to affect damus and amethyst. Unless I’m wrong.

How about the tags when someone on primal replies to a note?

All the clients need to “speak the same language” or it doesn’t really work

MAHDOOD 11mo ago

Can you explain your position nostr:npub12262qa4uhw7u8gdwlgmntqtv7aye8vdcmvszkqwgs0zchel6mz7s6cgrkj and why you think primal is doing EEE? Or link to a note ID where you explained it before.

MAHDOOD 11mo ago

It’s annoying as fuck lmao but it doesn’t break nostr is my point. We don’t have a network of nodes that enforces consensus on nostr.

A lot of notes and notifications that I don’t see on primal but I see on damus and others.

I would say relays are similar to nodes. Not the same but similar

MAHDOOD 11mo ago

Yeah that’s an annoying problem. The free market will fix all this. They will either do it themselves, or someone else will offer something better.

Already other great options on ios and android. But Primal keeps being pushed because it’s so convenient.

MAHDOOD 11mo ago

Normies man. Tell them to set up a wallet on alby or coin os and they lose their minds. We’re not going to onboard people to nostr if we need them to learn anything to do with lightning lol

SatsMcD.ai 11mo ago

👆👆👆

They kinda have to learn a strict minimum even with the kyc wallet. whats an address. How to send/receive. Solutions like wallet of satoshi or coinos are very normie friendly. But yes. I get your point

MAHDOOD 11mo ago

One step at a time. Imagine joining nostr as a normie and people are welcoming you by telling you to run a lightning node 😵‍💫

Thats crazy. I said wallet of satoshi or coinos. Not LND or CLN + channel management 😂

MAHDOOD 11mo ago

I know lol I’m just saying that’s what a lot of hardcore nostr bros expect

Thats unrealistic 😂

Asking homie to go from citibank to lnd+channel management in one jump 😂

MAHDOOD 11mo ago

I know 😂

BTC_Saiyan 11mo ago

I literally ran into this issue last night trying to onboard someone! Fuck, wish I knew about coinos

https://coinos.io/ nwc wallet. Newcomer friendly

BTC_Saiyan 11mo ago

I’ll pass the message along! Thanks

Glad I could help

BTC_Saiyan 11mo ago

Looking back on your thread, they hated that primal asked for an email and shut that option down immediately lol

So VC walled garden practices is good for nostr ? 😂

MAHDOOD 11mo ago

The answer is subjective but I can’t deny that more people are onboarded to nostr through primal though.

So as long as lots of people are onboarded through primal, they can have questionable practices? Meh

MAHDOOD 11mo ago

Never said that sir lol.

They can do that. Doesn’t mean they should.

You said its subjective. Anyways. In the end it doesnt matter. We have the choice to use what we want. I just wish people stop recommending primal so much. Just because it has an integrated wallet. Every precoiner has multiple apps for social media and at least an app for banking. But 2 apps for nostr is too much. That makes no sense

MAHDOOD 11mo ago

Ideally, they’d join with a different wallet. But you know how normies are man. Convincing their TikTok rotted brains to just think for 2 minutes is like pulling teeth. But here’s the thing, some will join and learn this stuff then later create a new anonymous npub. If they care. Most do not.

Agreed. Again doesnt mean that what primal is doing is right