I'm reading a history of asymmetric cryptography right now ("Crypto" by Steven Levy), and my mind is being repeatedly blown by the origins, odds, and success of the movement. Everything we're doing with nostr started in the 1970's! And yet we somehow still don't have widely-used, decentralized electronic mail that checks both boxes of the original RSA paper:

> we must ensure that two important properties of the current “paper mail” system are preserved: (a) messages are private, and (b) messages can be signed.

The question that keeps coming to mind is this: what happened between 1996 and 2009? Once individual rights to cryptography was established, did the movement die out? Why did no one build out access to cryptography for the average internet user? Yes, SSL is ubiquitous, but it's still controlled by a cabal of root certificate issuers.

I know there was ongoing work that led to bitcoin, and XMPP is an obvious exception, but even so I am stunned that 50 years after the invention of public key cryptography we still don't have widespread, meaningful adoption. Keys are limited to technical users, and encryption is mediated and undermined by centralized platforms.

For those with some perspective on this history: are we in the midst of a cryptography renaissance? Did bitcoin kick off a resurgence of interest in digital privacy? Or is that just my own bias at play?

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The problem is getting ordinary people to sign keys without knowing that they are signing keys and also to refuse to sign keys without knowing that that what they are doing. It's a UI problem and people who are good at cryptography are not good at UI.

or people could learn like they learn how to drive?

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I hope we in the midst of a cryptography renaissance, but I share your bias.

TBH, most people would sell their social security number for free email.

when I first read the nostr NIP-01 I remember immediately going - wait, this is it? why didn't we have this already?

Yes exactly, why isn’t the internet built this way? What’s the point of email password again?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zooko%27s_triangle IMHO makes UX of anything non-centralized very difficult (namecoin-esque tech aside).

Definitely a factor

Unfortunately, people don't give a damn about bitcoin, encryption and privacy. For now...

For decades, Windows trained us to depend, not to understand. It dulled curiosity, rewarded clicks over comprehension, and gave rise to a generation of digital consumers rather than creators. It was comfort at the cost of capability—a slow erosion of our digital IQ. But the tide is turning. I think NOSTR is a movement. It's simplicity, resilience, and sovereignty, all packed into a decentralized, censorship-resistant model of communication. Perhaps, It’s an invitation to think again, build again, and take back control.

> we must ensure that two important properties of the current “paper mail” system are preserved: (a) messages are private, and (b) messages can be signed.

Doesn't ecash do this? (I don't know, just asking.)

Lots of systems do, but everything at "internet scale" is either centralized or lacks these properties

On a different topic, just to be sure you're aware...it seems you have an imposter out there. I got a dm overnight, very similar to a "Derek Ross" from two days ago. In both, the npub mimics and reposts. No doubt the same scammer.

Yeah, I know

on another topic, not sure you noticed or if it's on purpose but you have a leading space in your kind-0 metadata name that has been driving me crazy for a while now ahah

Ecash almost went mainstream in the early age of the internet, everyone was convinced this would be how money would move on the internet, even big corporations and banks. But then it vanished.

I guess cryptography is the tool of the people against any form of centralised power, but it takes a lot of education for it to take over.

> Did Bitcoin kick off a resurgence of interest in digital privacy?

I would argue 2008 (and years leading up to it) kicked off a refound demand for interest in digital privacy.

What specifically happened on 9/11/01 with the Internet? That's a good question to be asking, as it hugely affected our primary communication and information channels, every day since.

https://youtu.be/aH-q_xb3FnM?si=opU-LmvIEKFSIpAs

Is this what proton mail is doing?

They're trying to retrofit email while maintaining compatibility. If they get massive market share, they could upgrade the protocol, that would be an ok path forward

product managers killed it

This is what I am inclined to. RSA was a great company, but the contrast between their approach to grappling with the NSA vs Zimmerman's is striking

I don't follow what you're saying now, but I'm happy you agree

You need to go back further and research cybernetics. But to answer your immediate question from an old soul who lived during that time, PGP comes to mind immediately.

The reason it never really took off is because people are inherently lazy in both action and mind. The intellectual effort required to exchange keys and set up communication channels involved more discomfort than surrendering privacy.

A fundamental law of change management is that people only change when the discomfort of staying put exceeds the discomfort of moving on.

You either need to lower the discomfort barrier to change, or raise the discomfort of the status quo.

To answer your last question, I think we are indeed in a cryptography renaissance, but it's out of necessity. The math is there for quantum proof cryptography, but I suspect the machines are about to take over the next phase of development because it exceeds our human capacity for mathematics.

Do you think that nostr is doing something novel in the area of making public key cryptography accessible and useful to regular people? Or is it just the latest doomed attempt at achieving the aspirations of crypto-anarchy?

The thing that got me about this book is how history is repeating itself with Samurai & tornado. The history is truly incredible. Also the journey of a few persistent builders - led to the possibility of bitcoin!

That's one of the biggest takeaways for me as well, incredibly small groups of idealists can have a massive impact

nostr:nprofile1qqsy79cd3tul0qlple4k4j9f0w20aa3ngqhw4ycex0tc32est680vdsujfg2n nailed it. The tools are freely available but utilized by few.

Privacy is but an element to this, probably prioritized by the bias of people working on this; fundamentally its these math tricks that allow to structure the digital realm.

And perhaps this transition from analoge to digital is far more envolved, and required therefor more generational iteration that might we can imagine.

We have used signatures, seals and keys of all kinds of all kinds throughout history and much of the world order is constructed out of these things; political, judicial, commercial, you name it, its all text with signatures at the bottom.

Incremental digitization of elements is what has been happening over time, for example whatever that signing of PDF documents with the silly handwriting font is supposed to be.

But what we are doing with Bitcoin, and Nostr, is something different; we dont digitize, we start out with the inherrently digital; and as a result we have to rebuild all these institutions from the ground up. The whole Bitcoin ETF in this regard is hillarious for example.

Why has this not happened before? Because its a bootstrapping problem, and Bitcoin is the thing that not just solved that problem for itself, but for cryptography as a whole

Also, in all my historical analyses of technological developments, you can trace things back for decades before they pop off; and the story is basically always "grand long term historical developments creating the conditions for a 'great man' to show innitiative and succeeding" (all those lesser men that failed prior barely make it into the record)

Crypto's freedom got crushed by control freaks, but Bitcoin's sparking a privacy revival. Time to reclaim our keys. 👁️