Do you support abortion ???
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No. Killing unborn babies is still murder. Someone has to speak for them since they can't speak for themselves.
I agree, I don't support it either, beyond everyone's position, I'm glad that the users around here are brave to give their opinion on thorny issues
Yeah. Within the first trimester aprox. seems acceptable for any reason, after that in some cases.
Not an idea I've chewed on for a while, though
Algunos casos puntuales llevan más análisis pero no creo que la solución se deba quedar ahí… nunca va a ser mi primera opción
Más allá de la posición de cada cual respecto al tema, me alegra que seamos valientes en dar nuestra opinión em temas espinosos 🙏
Yo para lo del primer trimestre (y ya te digo que llevo tiempo sin hablarlo, leer sobre el tema, etc) lo determino por la actividad cerebral - ANTES de que haya actividad cerebral no creo que podamos hablar de un ser humano como tal, sino un cúmulo de células humanas.
Mi lógica va por ahí. Determinar en qué punto podemos considerar que existe un ser humano (no un futuro ser humano) y a partir de ahí restringirlo.
Ahí está el kit del asunto que define bien la posición de cada cual 👌
If someone kills you outside your house, it's murder
If someone kills you inside your house, it's still murder
Good analogy
No. It is murder. The right to life supercedes the right to 'choose'.
I agree, I don't support it either, beyond everyone's position, I'm glad that the users around here are brave to give their opinion on thorny issues
No, abortion is murder and the mom's who murder their children ought to be prosecuted as murderers.
I agree, I don't support it either, beyond everyone's position, I'm glad that the users around here are brave to give their opinion on thorny issues
"Support"? No.
Abortion should be so extremely rare that the topic itself should barely enter the field of discussion at all.
I do think there are some circumstances where, if I was to choose between my wife and my unborn child, I may pick the former. But outside of this, I think it's largely an immoral conversion for largely immoral people who wish to absolve themselves of any responsibility of their actions.
Good answer 👏
I think abortion is deeply unethical, and should be considered an extreme action that is not undertaken lightly.
The fact that it's considered by many to be merely 'family planning', is a grotesque whitewashing of reality, but is also not justification to inject the government into the issue with edicts about what an individual can and can't do.
We need stronger community values to do the heavy lifting. Families should be policing this sort of thing with mores, not abdicating their role to courts and lawmakers.
Totally agree
I read it in calm… thank you for the article 🙏
Lo respeto pero no lo comparto, veo la vida desde la concepción y para mi sería la última opción
Más allá de la posición de cada cual me alegra que sean valientes en dar su opinión en temas polémicos o espinosos 🙏
La ciencia dice otra cosa ,cada uno puede ver lo que quiera y decir lo que quiera .
La pregunta obviamente es muy abierta .
Es como que preguntara :
¿Estás a favor del maltrato a cualquiera ser vivo ?
Nadie contestaría que si ,pero si luego se va al mcD a comer un burger con bacon y doble queso ... qué opinarias de esa persona?
Esa pregunta de si se apoya el aborto también depende donde la hagas ...eran obvias las respuestas mayoritarias en nostr ... Son hombres ,no racializados, heterosexuales, con un nivel de vida muy por encima del promedio, religiosos ,anti-woke, y de derecha
O sea la respuesta mayoritaria. desconocerá la decisión de la mujer, será "provida" y básicamente punitiva
El enfoque biologicista ve la vida desde la concepción, el tema no va de la mujer, más bien del bebé.
Tu opinión de la comunidad de NOSTR menos aún lo comparto pero no voy a desviar ni comenzar una discusión por eso 🙏
You're not at home.
Some crackheads entering violently your house and raping your wife.
How much does your wife want to give birth to this child?
First of all, he or she is going to be her son... why wouldn't she loves her son ???
Ask your wife.
It's her decision. Not mine. Not yours. Not someone else's.
The right to life isn't negotiable, komrade, as long as there are no ethical dilemmas
Some crackhead violently enters your house and rapes your wife. Do you kill the crackhead's mother in revenge, or do you just let the crackhead get away with it?
No, abortion is murder
That is a very longwinded argument that doesn't actually respond to my question. If you actually read your argument, it says "clearly, involuntary euthanasia is wrong," even though that's exactly what I've been challenging. What is wrong with involuntary euthanasia? What is wrong with murder? Do you have an answer?
Involuntary euthanasia (I assume this means someone in a coma who will not wake up again, for example) ≠ abortion
Involuntary euthanasia without a will or prior agreement is an ethical dilemma, it will always clash with some principle… similar situations can occur with abortion… debating why murder is wrong is unnecessary
I read the article about two years ago, I don't remember how euthanasia is handled in the article
Bro I'm just quoting your article back at you. Your own article directly presents involuntary euthanasia as an equivalent to abortion. If you expect other people to read the shit you post then you should at the very least read it yourself to make sure you understand it and that it's actually relevant. Ever heard of the golden rule? Real dick move to waste people's time like that.
God, behavior like this is why I hate evidence. You will never catch me using evidence to support my arguments.
Also, really convenient of you to sweep the entire argument under the rug, saying it's "unnecessary". You say it will always clash with "some principle", but you refuse to endorse even a single one. I can't possibly figure out your perspective unless you share your reasoning.
Is there something wrong with murder?🤨
Not if I'm the mother. I highly value my own children.
Besides, if a person enjoys their kid's conception then abortion is immoral.
I commented something like that there 🫡
That's a good point, I apologize. My reply to you was a redundant waste of space.
I didn't realize that you were going to agree with every pro-life reply or I would have argued that there is nothing inherently unethical about abortion instead.