Chastity, temperance, charity, diligence, patience, kindness, and humility.
Obedience is virtuous. As is lawful disobedience. The question is always "By what standard?"
Discussion
“Chastity, temperance, charity, diligence, patience, kindness, and humility.”
None of these have anything to do with obedience.
Moses, Confucius, the Buddha, Plato, Paul, and Augustine disagree. Virtuous living means adhering to moral frameworks derived from either natural or revealed law. I.e., obedience to a power higher than mankind.
While i agree with the logical foundation here, I still consider "obedience" and "alignment" to be very different things.
I also think the reason the semantics were shifted to "obedience" in the church was for a very explicit reason to the benefit of the church. Never forget that for the thousands of years in which all of their teachings were formalized (and changed drastically btw) they were the government.
Also don't have long philosophical discussions on my do-list today 🙌 but I think we agree that our decision to do or not do what some human asks us, no matter how forcefully, is not determined solely by that person in and of themselves. To live in that way would not be virtuous.
God commands, we either obey or we rebel.
It can be virtuous to rebel against unjust human leaders. There is no such virtue in disobeying the very one who defines what justice is.
Dude has his own definitions; you're gonna need to start all the down at presuppositions my friend. Reading some of his older posts will give you a good feel.
Oh, I am sure we have a vastly different epistemological framework.
It's why I will absolutely owe a ton to Guy for my understanding of Bitcoin, but he won't be my go-to for philosophy or ethics.
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OBEDIENCE
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*TO MEN VS. GOD
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“Whether it is right in the sight of God to listen to you rather than to God, you must judge." Acts 4:19
The clear meaning of Peter and John's response to the religious leaders here is that they have a higher duty to obey God, rather than men.
Obedience to God is a virtue. Obedience to man is only a virtue in so far as it agrees with obeying God.