>Not so with LN. Thanks to atomic swaps...

you say "Not so with LN", then proceeds to mention how it's an added workaround

that means if it's not default with LN, then xmr wins by default since every output is always a proxy output, not so with LN. Knowing if they have control or not over coins is useless because I want to know where they end up. If I know the coins I sent to you end up at "node X", I concluded my goal. And it's the same as you knowing the xmr you sent went to "output 123abc"