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libertarianism is actually compatible with socialism, communism, capitalism, and fascism, the single restriction being that those systems are organized voluntarily. You can have communism in a libertarian society, it’s called a commune, but if it turns out that the system doesn’t scale or doesn’t produce, you can’t make the rest of the world your slaves to “make it work.”

Libertarianism isn’t a prescription about *how* to organize. It’s a framework to allow us to organize in as many ways as possible so we can endlessly discover and refine the concept of organization itself.

It *only* requires that you treat everyone around you as a free human with self ownership, and not your slave.

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Spaceman 2y ago

Interesting thing about libertarian thought, it in no way can cognitively justify the initial acquisition of private property. At all.

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Guy Swann 2y ago

It can very easily actually. That which is obtained without violence against another person. Are you saying that if you gather food or kill a deer to eat it, that you cannot come up with any means to defend that fact that it is your meal, and that someone who steals it from you isn’t in the wrong?

I bet you a million dollars that if you are starving, you will discover private property extremely quickly. It is the comfort of the market that makes intellectual blowhards pontificate that this is some grey area because they want to be able to endive the whole world to their superior vision of society.

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Exodia38 2y ago

Respect of private property and division of labor promotes comparative advantage.

Even ir you are the janitor of the famous musician, you will acquire wealth

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Guy Swann 2y ago

It’s literally the most fundamental precursor to society itself. No value actual or cooperation exists without it. It’s axiomatically required to have a conversation about sharing or trade in the first place.

The idiocy of arguing against property rights is literally arguing that society isn’t a thing and that to have a society or not have one makes no difference.

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Spaceman 2y ago

And how does private property come into existence? Without invading armies to steal it, corrupt governments to sell it to rich foreigners(used to be families, now corporations), and a police state to maintain it. It has never not been the case. Ever.