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Woah, pro-abuse? Please read my responses carefully, can you find somewhere I actually said I was pro-abuse? My actual intent was to say that the victim should be the primary individual responsible for fighting their own abuse and for giving others the opportunity to fight their abuse. If the victim is unwilling to seize independence themselves, (which happens far too often) then any attempt to fix their life for them is stupid.

I'm glad to hear that you find the random pedo accusations irritating too, though it didn't slip past me that you were making pedo accusations yourself. Also, why do you say that I'm transphobic? I've been specifically trying to avoid saying anything transphobic so far.

If I was in your shoes I would be more forgiving of people looking for a link between the two. Anecdotally, I am Nostr friends with a nonbinary pedophile and I'm following a transgender "MAP ally". I also hear there's a lot of statistics correlating mental illnesses like pedophilia with mental illnesses like homosexuality and gender dysphoria.

It's cool to hear that you are interested in extreme privacy stuff. While browsing .onion sites myself I never saw any therapy ads besides the obligatory "stop it, get some help" messages sending you to some useless clearnet website. I did come across a darknet "confessional" site though. You could see all the previous confessions and all the responses to them. "Oops! I went and watched child porn again! Father, you have to help me! What should I do?" "Uh, that's really bad. God says for you to stop watching child porn. And after that, make sure to pray for guidance and you will have God's forgiveness..." To me, the whole situation seemed really pathetic. Neither party seemed to have any real insight into the sin itself. But that's just what I got out of it anyway.

Due to the technical limitations of Tor, I strongly suspect that any therapy offered would be limited to text chat, and I also suspect that the "therapist" would be like, one guy who may or may not have a degree. If that's the extent of what counts as therapy then I might as well just talk with a therapist over email, or enter the DMs of some random therapist on Nostr and pay them in zaps.

I don't think your characterization of me as being "unable to seek the treatment that I need" makes a lot of sense. It's not as if I'm some amoral creature lacking any sort of autonomy. I am perfectly capable of seeking treatment, I am just intentionally choosing not to in order to avoid a little bit of risk. Additionally, I don't know what exactly this "treatment" is supposed to do. Therapy is literally just talking with someone. It's not as if words between two people is going to suddenly make every child on Earth unattractive. The biggest reason I take the possibility of therapy seriously is because I just really like talking with people in general.

Thanks for the Youtuber recommendation. Personally, I watch a lot of stuff from MentalOutlaw. He's a funny guy and he has a lot of interesting videos about info-sec and software security in general. The only thing that puts me off about him is that he is fairly open about his support of piracy, and I believe thay piracy is wrong. I believe that if someone enjoys a piece of media, then they should be willing to pay or support the publisher the way the publisher expects them to.

TerrestrialOrigin 10mo ago

I mean, you are literally arguing for schools to intentionally out kids to abusive parents, plus your other statements definitely make you seem pro-abuse. Also, you know what did slip past you? The obvious troll. The fact that you missed that I was obviously trolling that dumbass motherfucker is cute.

Anyway, I don't care what you do. Except don't hurt kids. Hurting kids bad. I don't know what that therapy consised of or thequalification of the therapist in question. I did a darn net google and couldn't find the site. But I only used one search engine, plus dark net search kinda sucks.

Yeah, I've seen mental outlaw's videos. Good stuff, from what i remember.

Here's an up-to-date list of the whole Deep Web Browsing series so far: https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLUjF4ki8MEB44zScrvTYuOIib-lLM20yl

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NOSTR PRESIDENT 10mo ago

FED FIRST, SCHOOLS NEXT, *THEN* DARK WEB. KIDS, PEOPLE, PRIORITIES.

Scoundrel 10mo ago

No I'm not. I'm arguing for schools to obey the parents' requested pronouns for their kids, or for schools to expell kids to avoid having to engage with abuse outside their control, or for schools to warn children not to request pronouns they don't want shared with their parents (and then don't mention to the parents if a kid was planning on making that kind of request and changed their mind.)

Or I'm advocating for kids to find their own way to escape abusive parents for good and without having to punish their parents for giving them too much trust and freedom.

Scoundrel 10mo ago

Also, trolling somebody by copying them is no good unless you can add a good twist. I'm not a big fan of no-you's.

Er, I mean, wow you really got me good with that one!

TerrestrialOrigin 10mo ago

You opinion on what is or isn't good trolling has been noted and will be given all the consideration it deserves.

TerrestrialOrigin 10mo ago

It's up to schools if they want to respect the kid's pronouns. Kids are just not outed to abusive parents. That's it. And not disclosing that you're trans to parents who would abuse you isn't "punishing your parents for giving you too much freedom"

This is crazy, bro...

Scoundrel 10mo ago

Isn't it? The parebnts from this case wanted to control the pronouns that were used to refer to their kids. They chose to let their kid go to this school. Would the parents have gotten what they wanted if they HADN'T made that choice? If they hadn't given their kid enough leway to have a life outside of their knowledge?

TerrestrialOrigin 10mo ago

Funny how so many trans kids are getting literally abused by their parents and you are trying to spin it like it's those very parents are the victims. Stop. Treating. Kids. As objects. As someone with literal pedophilic tendencies, it's VERY important for you to do that. Kids are not a toy you can have "dibs" on.

Scoundrel 10mo ago

I don't have "pedophilic tendencies." I'm a pedophile. There's a difference. I have free will. Every action I have ever taken has been my own. Everything I will ever do will be because I willed it.

You dodged my question earlier when I asked whether the school's protocol is sustainable, and now you dodge a question again, this time about exactly what would have happened if the parents didn't give so much leway to their kid and the school.

You said that the school's actions aren't punishing parents for giving their kid too much freedom, and now you say that kids aren't a toy you can have dibs on. If you really believe these things then are my questions not relevant to this discussion? If a school's actions aren't punishing parents for giving their kid too much freedom then what would happen if they stopped sending their kid to this school? If you really believe children aren't objects then what would happen if a parent really did try to call dibs?

Have you even considered the child's own autonomy when hearing these questions? Do you think the kid even has free will? Do you believe that the parents have free will? Yes, yes, I hear you, the parents aren't victims. But are the parents so incapable of critical thought that the school never has to worry about the parents withdrawing their kid? Are you unable to think of alternatives, or do you genuinely believe that my questions aren't worth answering?

TerrestrialOrigin 10mo ago

Yes, the school's approach is sustainable. Also what leeway? I don'tnsee any leeway. I see them try to give even less leeway that already isn't there.

What would happen if they stop sending thebkid to that school is called "homeschool". That's an option for them, but they would rather sue the school over pronouns.

The child's autonomy is what matters and the child is saying "these are my pronous, but don't tell my parents because they would abuse me for coming out as trans"

This ain't rocket sciece, buddy. I don't know why I'm even arguimg with a literal pedophile who views kids as objects.

Vincent 10mo ago

It’s not the teachers choice, plain and simple. mind your own business. You’re a teacher, shut your mouth and teach math. A teacher shouldn’t be discussing pronouns with the kids, period. How parents want to deal with their kids is their choice, if there’s abuse that should be dealt with separately. Teachers discussing this mental illness inducing gender crap is abuse. Sorry, not sorry.

🇵🇸 whoever loves Digit 10mo ago

Nice try kid, adults don't talk like this. Having trouble opening your juicebox or something?

TerrestrialOrigin 10mo ago

Follow your own advice little guy. Shut up and sit down.

Vincent 10mo ago

Enjoy your mental

Illness

TerrestrialOrigin 10mo ago

You too! 😘

Scoundrel 10mo ago

I appreciate that you are taking the time to argue with a pedophile who advocates for treat children like objects in certain circumstances. I think it's very confident of you, and I am interested in your perspective.

Yes, there's homeschool, private school, and it is also possible to take one's kids to a different public school. I know that many parents care quite a bit about their kids education, to the point where they will move to a different school district if they think it will mean their kids get a better education.

In this court case, the parents sent messages to the school ahead of time requsting them not to provide mental health treatment without approval, they were willing to sue the school, and yes, they almost certainly withdrew their kid from the school. Because of cases like these, how many other transphobic parents chose not to send their kids to public schools in the first place?

You say that the policy is sustainable and that the child's autonomy is what's most important, but in this case it seems pretty clear to me that it wasn't. There were numerous information leaks, including one of the teachers snitching completely. You say that the school is just respecting a student with abusive parents, and that the parents are already not giving their kid any leway, but the end result is that the student ends up with more supervision less progressive teachers. If the goal was to increase the kid's autonomy, then trying to provide it by exploiting the parents' trust seems like it had the opposite effect. If you don't consider that to be "less leway" then I'm curious to hear what term you'd use.

If the hope is that the parents will be total pushovers then I think the school shouldn't have been so afraid to rub it into the parents' faces that they were using different pronouns with the kid. If the kid agrees to the whole scenario then that's what I would have done in the school's shoes. It's not snitching if the kid knows the parents will find out and chooses to ask for it anyway.

TerrestrialOrigin 10mo ago

It's up to the kid on what and how much risk they choose to take regarding this. The very fact that the mental health trearment was provided could have been worth it. Shit, the kid could be alive now because if that.

Regarding sustainability, I think we are dealing with a form of survival-bias: we only know about the cases where the parents did find out and make a stink about it. If something is successfully kept secreat, it's excluded from "statistics" by its very nature.

Scoundrel 10mo ago

Is it up to the kid? What if the parents never chose to send their kid to that school in the first place? What would you have done in the parents' shoes if you thought there was a chance the school would treat your kid in a way that you viewed as manipulative and harmful?

TerrestrialOrigin 10mo ago

Bruh. We've been over this. Homeschool and privare school are all options. There are parents here in the state who don' want their kid taught evolution. They tried to suethe school. The courtstold them to go fuck themselves (as they should have). Now there are parents who either homeschool or use private school. But thry don't get to tell public schools to stop teaching science and toteach religious fiction instead.

Scoundrel 10mo ago

Yes, I know. I'm just trying to understand, if that's the case then where exactly do you get the idea that it's up to the kid?

TerrestrialOrigin 10mo ago

You realize that that was an answer to a completely different question, right. Just scroll up. Not only are we going in circles now, you are also losing the track of the conversation.