Nostr Web Client

I know that it's totally cool, on here, for every Nostr #dev to be a Lone Wolf 🐺, but I legit have no idea how we'd keep a project this size moving without a group of people.

Otherwise, if you tried to implement one thing, you couldn't simultaneously implement something else and maintain something else and market something else and design something else and test something else. You can't work multi-threaded 🧵 with one core 👩‍💻.

And if the 🐺 couldn't work, for a time, everything would just fall apart.

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ᴛʜᴇ ᴅᴇᴀᴛʜ ᴏꜰ ᴍʟᴇᴋᴜ 10mo ago

not to mention this all dies without businesses subscribing to services deployed using this tech

that's how http and email became things

Silberengel 10mo ago

Yeah, we have to make products that are attractive to organizations and communities, not just individuals.

ᴛʜᴇ ᴅᴇᴀᴛʜ ᴏꜰ ᴍʟᴇᴋᴜ 10mo ago

the market for stupid platforms to enable scammy influencoors and their pods and blogs is completely saturated, it's amazing that they think a simple protocol can do that when those systems all depend on being funded by advertising

Silberengel 10mo ago

Well, Nostr is actually full to the brim with advertising. It's just written as normal notes and not marked or identified in any way.

But, yeah, we don't have a large enough market, or a helpless enough audience, to reel in the Big Advertisers.

Satosha 10mo ago

Let it fall apart !

nix 10mo ago

I probably completely misunderstand you, but it seems to me we have to find a solution that works with lone wolf developers.

The alternative sounds way too centralised. Nostr Corp anyone?

It is better it falls apart and gets replaced by the next iteration of the same concept than the idea and community getting hijacked and redirected into something essentially different.

Silberengel 10mo ago

Lone Wolves can work on small, simple projects. Microapps and plug-ins, and stuff.

They cannot build enterprise-level systems.

Niel Liesmons 10mo ago

I'm also having a hard time trusting lone wolves enough to pay for their services, if there's nothing beyond them to make 'em reliable?

Lone wolf ded = service ded

Silberengel 10mo ago

Yeah, I'm focusing on the "Lone Wolves" we've marked as suppliers, as we have regular interaction with them and they're less-likely to just get bored and wander off. They're more like independent contractors, where you have a real business relationship.

cloud fodder 10mo ago

i dont see it as being a lone wolf, because its open sauce.

I also have supported many enterprise level customers doing this same kind of thing with an incredibly small team doing all the heavy lifting (2 people) .. with the invention of automation, you may be surprised how many companies skate by with a single burnt out dev or contractor on the pager duty or doing the bulk of the 'work' that the company charges enterprise level moneys for..

contractor yes, lone wolf.. ehhhh, 😂 ya killin me smalls 😁

Silberengel 10mo ago

Hey, some of these guys don't even talk to anyone else about their project. They show up, tell everyone "I built a thing." and disappear.

Silberengel 10mo ago

I've worked on big maintenance projects with one dev, but if he quits, then the project is basically ded.

Like that meme, where one library block holds up the entire Internet block-tower. 😂

Exodia38 10mo ago

The key to avoid this is extensive education. The more people are producing the merrier. It doesn't matter if they go at turtle's pace.

It's called the law of comparative advantage

Eventually, if some (even extremely talented) devs are stubborn enough to keep working alone, they will be made irrelevant by groups of people working in groups of Dunbar number sizes. They'll miss the advantages of having better opportunity costs by delegating tasks to others with less talent.

And all of this will happen because programming education will be more widespread

Silberengel 10mo ago

We train people, ourselves, so we're the education. I'm used to working with apprentices and training software developers.