Nostr Web Client

Of course not

if users don't have to think about relays upfront, they'll probably never think about them. that's why i believe every nostr client should ask for the relays to connect to on first launch.

defaults are centralizing, so many people won't change them.

how you make onboarding as smooth as possible is a matter of good UI. nostr:nprofile1qqs84k6jpsav0jmdeqjn2zxlpnsajaw6f8l0m2d4e9t8gjsyn53s4nspzamhxue69uhhyetvv9ujuumfv9khxarj9e3k7mgpz3mhxue69uhhyetvv9ujuerpd46hxtnfduq3vamnwvaz7tmjv4kxz7fwdehhxarj9e3xzmnyhat8ky seems to be doing an amazing job with 0xchat lite. users should be *aware* of what is going behind the scenes, they deserve to know, let's give them free will.

making decisions for other people is always bad unless they're not able to, and this is not rocket science, everyone uses the internet nowadays and has some idea of how it works. btw, nostr:nprofile1qqsyvrp9u6p0mfur9dfdru3d853tx9mdjuhkphxuxgfwmryja7zsvhqpz9mhxue69uhkummnw3ezuamfdejj7qgswaehxw309ahx7um5wghx6mmd9uq3wamnwvaz7tmkd96x7u3wdehhxarjxyhxxmmd9ukfdvuv are any UI changes in that regard coming to outbox amethyst?

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Garbage nsec 5mo ago

Fully agree. If we’re going to put relays behind advanced settings then we know that less than 1% of new users will have anything to do with that setting.

Ergo, as you say, the default relays will be the forever relays.

Which leads to the question: What are the default relays?

To which there are only bad answers.

franzap 5mo ago

Right, like no-one uses VPNs because that's not the default in any OS.

No amount of UI in your face will motivate you to understand what a relay is, it will just frustrate and you will put whatever just to get by.

People motivated enough will find the setting.

There's a lot of reasons why relay variety and supply in an open protocol will thrive.

Garbage nsec 5mo ago

That doesn't acknowledge how fundamental relays are to nostr. It's in the name! VPNs are not some fundamental element of MacOS or Linux.

Without relays absolutely front and center, you have to ask: Why Nostr? If relays are just a credible exit then choose another protocol that is way faster, and way more consistent, and that also offers a credible exit?

What's the answer? For users for whom relays are some shadowy thing that they may or may not ever discover, why Nostr?