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Yes. Exactly.

Also, if you look at the protests that have broken out, after this, you see:

1. Some of the protestors are completely unhinged and prone to violence. You don't protest government violence by breaking stuff and terrorizing everyone.

2. They don't appear to be people from Minneapolis. Are they bussing in protestors, _again_, to destroy the local neighborhood, _again_?

3. The local politicians are relieved to have something to talk about, other than daycare fraud, which encourages them to hype this all up and be like George Floyd 2.0! ✊🏾

While this is true no one should be licking the states ass. This agent adds no value to the stated goal of enforcing immigration laws. His actions are a step backwards, if that is the goal. They are a step forward if the goal is to normalize a paramilitary death squad controlled by the executive branch.

The whole point of all of this situation is to usher in martial law and digital ID.

What's your solution?

That's also not the point of the discussion at hand.

We stop allowing false narratives to cloud this situation. If the admin was serious about immigration they would jail corporate executives that employee illegal immigrants. For the criminal immigrants who don’t have employment they would use the vast financial surveillance network to target these people directly.

The use of goon squads on the streets of cities is a means to enrage the majority of people and provide the more radical and racist MAGA loyalists something to get hyped about.

Throwing out due process and creating rage bait is what a government who doesn’t care about individual freedom would do.

Well, it is easy to prove citizenship or properly documented resident status. If they can't or won't, due process is, IMO, to boot them as fast as possible. It's just that simple.

You are correct about goon squads. And, they are also using the surveillance apparatus to target where to do the must effective work.

And yes, please let's jail the execs and politicians involved with this, too!

If you enter the country illegally, you should at least be required to pay a fine and deportation is a reasonable response. And you should be barred from applying for citizenship, since your disregard for the rule of law is apparent.

The police should be the ones finding and arresting them, but the local government has refused to do that job, so the federal government has taken over. The federal government is only in this position because previous admins refused to control the border.

If you open your external borders, you eventually finish the border fight in your residential areas.

There has been consistent deportations every year for decades. Obama was more aggressive than trumps first term and Biden used title 42 expulsions to remove 3 million which puts his single term numbers up to around 4 million people which is over 4x greater than trumps first term.

The entire current immigration drama is theater to normalize federal paramilitary in our cities it has very little to do with the business of deportations. Even with a massive budget the trump admin will likely not beat Bide’s number.

I have no problem with the forced removal of illegal immigrants, people should respect our laws. I have a problem with the narrative that what ice is doing currently is the only way or is the preferred way.

This is a choice being made to hype up the maga retards and piss off the city dwellers who have to feel the weight of a federal force. This force is laughably bad at their job and mostly just the dregs of the unemployable in the traditional law enforcement and military circles.

The play book is simple. Make the process of deportations visible and violent. Make the holding pens inhumane and despairing, and make the final destination arbitrary and without due process. This creates fear and resistance and correctly crafts a narrative that ICE is to be resisted(all government over reach should be). Trump gets his conflicts with the radical left and can distract everyone from his Epstein issues and the rapidly shrinking importance of the US on the world stage .

I'll agree with all of this.

You skipped over my argument, that nobody would need to deport them, if they had never been imported.

They did this in Germany, too. Insisted we let everyone in, and they would sort through them and then deport — pinky-swear. Then it came time to deport and they were like, Oh, it would be too mean to deport!

Turns out that it is much harder to deport 1 person than import 100k persons. And they knew that, from the beginning.

Yup.

The push across both political party’s has been to restrict immigration but then the foreign policy has been to create chaos that breeds the conditions we are seeing. the migrant crisis has been in the making for decades thanks to the drug war, us spurred political instability in central and South America. The bankers and financial players that control our political system want to push as many migrants north as possible. This will provide the excuse for increased militarization and surveillance.

Yes.

Exactly so.

That may be the case, but American citizens aren't required to tolerate the chaos in their cities, regardless of what the cause was.

I don't know if that is the case, tho. The idea that every shitty foreign government is the fault of Evil White Men is too simplistic for me.

The history of the CIA is the history of doing the work of the military industrialists and bankers to fuck up countries to enable resource extraction. The side effect of this neo colonialism is a migrant crisis. It’s also the history of the drug use crisis.

This is not about blaming white men. The sex and skin color of these vampires is immaterial.

Yes. 100% yes.

It's not immaterial. The entire argument is incredibly racist and sexist, as it assumes that migrants are all helpless victims, and that Americans and Europeans deserve to live in terror to atone for the sins of their ancestors, forever.

There are plenty of really horrible people in the countries of origin, and there always have been. And they've _always_ had shitty governments. That is normal. Having a non-shitty government was what made places like the USA and Germany so wealthy: it is a rare advantage (that we are losing). They are not superior humans, free of sin and justified in invading and conquering foreign lands, merely by grace of being born poorer and tanning faster. Just as we aren't justified, merely for being richer and paler.

And, yes, the CIA has been up to some seriously shady shit for as long as I can remember, but our countries are crawling with foreign agitators and spies, and everyone claims that they have no success here. Only the CIA works. Because we have Magic White People dust, that we sprinkle over ourselves, to make us immune to the bullshit they are saying and that keep us from taking their money to be sell-outs. Sure. Okay. Tell that to the people in New York and Minnesota, who currently have crazy commies rampaging across their front yard.

No, it isn't just White Man issues. It's beyond that. It is bigger than humanity, even.

Being able to make sound decisions and keep your cool under pressure are part of the job, and this was definitely a fail. I disagree that this agent should be assumed to be acting according to some prepared strategy, to go shoot all the Karens.

I also know that many of these protestors are experienced agitators and go out of their way to create these sort of situations, so that they have an excuse to protest and get good video material for the Social Media Outrage Machine. This situation escalated too quickly, so that they couldn't control it, and they all made a surprised face, but this is their (paid) hobby. They do this shit all day and it's usually fun for them.

ICE agents are an easy group to point fingers at, but they also attack firefighters, teachers, cops, nurses, ambulance personnel, bus drivers, trash collectors, etc. It's getting harder and harder to hire for essential services, and to retain staff, in urban areas, as you end up constantly under attack. Islamists, Marxists, environmentalists, illegal immigrants, radical feminists, Transactivists, Antifa...

It's all the same club and I am not in it.

Comte de Sats Germain 4d ago

No one makes sounds decisions when they are afraid of dying. We go through a lot of training to prepare for that moment, and even then, a lot of people fuck it up and die. That woman had a right to protest. Training for a minimum of one year before entering a combat zone should not be a prerequisite for a citizen protesting.

That said, she was partially murdered by her "wife," who goaded the officer. She should stand trial too, though I don't think she should be judged in the same way as the officer who responded to her by moving his phone to his other hand, pulling his weapon and executing the woman out of spite.

Look, I don't like leftists, either. Let's move past that. They can be stupid, we can call them stupid, but murder isn't acceptable.

CR45H 0V3RR1D3 4d ago

Compared to MAGA, democrats look like geniuses.🤣

Comte de Sats Germain 4d ago

Accidental geniuses, and still utterly untrustworthy. But I'll give them a marginal increase in opinion compared to a couple years ago.