Bitcoin and Nostr don't need Apple. In fact, the people in the world that need freedom the most do not use Apple products because they cannot afford them. They use Android.
i.e. Last year I helped raise funds for Bitcoin Ekasi in South Africa. They used the funds to buy $25 Android phones for their Bitcoin children and youth programs. They bought 30 of them. Buy 30 phones or buy 1 phone? The choice was easy.
Derek this situation isn’t Apple vs. Android. Why do you insist on making it about that?
Do you consider Alternate Operating Systems that can be freely installed on non apple phones Android?
It actually is though. You keep trying not to make it so but the fact is.
Even Vanilla Android has alternate appstores, installing direct from developer .APK files.
You can freely install alternative OSes on non ape phones.
Apple* phones
Because you do.
This is about freedom for me. This is about censorship for me.
If it’s about freedom then it is important to have Nostr and bitcoin apps in the App Store on Android AND iOS. Again, this is not so much about the current user base. Most people here can figure out workarounds if needed. I’ve used both iPhone and Android since 2008. I jailbroke and rooted every device I had through the years until a few years ago. I’m not concerned about my ability to use the apps and services I want to use. There are pros and cons to both platforms, but pretending the solution to this problem is to tell all iPhone users to use android instead is shortsighted and a nonstarter.
That's where we're at though. It may be a non-starter for you, but there are billions of people that can't afford Apple products.
The way to Apple's heart has always been through their wallet and marketshare.
Build the apps elsewhere and make the users demand it and want it.
They'll eventually cave after a few years, per their track record.
Disagree. I think switching to Android is the solution, at least short term. It's the only way to get Apple to reverse their policy. By law they're allowed to do what they're doing. Changing the law is unlikely to happen since we live in an oligarchy.
Unpopular take: Android experience isn’t as open source as they claim for most android users.
Manufacturers can opt for closed source implementations of Android.
Android core development is not community driven.
Manufacturers of android phones can (and will) void your warranty if you tinker with the OS. (Same as Apple)
It is apparently much easier to tinker with Android than iOS, Sailfish and Ubuntu touch use android code.
The real hero is Linux.
Is Android open source? Yes, it is. But most implementations are not.
Are you confusing AOSP (Android Open Source Project) with an OEM fork?
I’m referring to the “label” Android, which depending on what device you are using will have various degrees of openness. This makes the whole label “murky”. Control freaks come in two flavors, overt and covert. Many android inspired OS exist now, as a reaction to the points I have made above.
Android is open, but for most android phone users it isn’t. I don’t trust Google’s meddling with W3C. I don’t trust Google with android (especially when running on devices made by Samsung, Xiaomi,…)
I simply wish to have a third option… without control freaks trying to own me.
yeah, the situation is not about apple vs android, at least bc people who can’t afford apple tech is not the only one who need freedom.
however i believe his point was that
by preferring brands alternative to apple, people could encourage the company to change its policy 🤔
Some people don’t understand this is a freedom vs censorship battle…
It is! At the base layer it's not about which tech company is better or cooler. It's about freedom. It always has been.
yes it is freedom vs censorship battle.
fuck apple and fuck every big brother.
yet iphone is really the user base we can't get around if our goal is to reach everyone.
-sent from iphone🤦🏻♂️
Id have to look at nostr.band data, but how many of those users did we actualy retain for the long run? Yes it was a massive influx but what we want is user retention correct?
"adoption" is always a long and slow game.
For this conversation, I don't really care about user retention, this is about freedom. One platform has a history of censorship. Another platform does not.
Yeah I get that. I was just trying another angle. I honestly don't get people's reluctance or blinders around the problem of apple and their restrictions. It seems asinine to work so hard to comply.
I don't get it either, but I feel for them because ecosystem lock-in is a real thing. I wouldn't want to switch.
Yeah it took a massive effort for me to move eveything I did off google. So I can sort of understand. Unfortunately apple's lock in is deeper than software.
I made an honest effort to switch from iPhone to Android over a year ago. I ended up back on the iPhone. Using Android without Google Play is just not going to happen with the masses IMO. There needs to be another way. I would leave Apple in a heartbeat if something was available that even came close. Switching to Android w/Google doesn’t solve my trust problem.
I fully understand this. I ran custom ROMs for a decade. I now run stock Pixel with full Google Experience. It's just easier. I make these concessions because I know Android is open and I can always install any APK from anywhere.
That's what i am trying to say all the time..Apple is just shit like diamond. it's only show value and no actual use value. The day dev community realise this apple is over. Problem is dev community is too fucking Hippocratic
