so what is the intrinsic value then? is it something other than the price?

price isnt derived from anything it is just the price quoted at any time by the merchant. I could go to coinbase and argue with them that they are overcharging for bitcoins because the "intrinsic" value is lower than the market price, so they should give me a discount?

Intrinsic value is a bullshit term, people will always see value differently because people are different. on a large scale market for equities or bitcoins we have an average price, that merchants will exchange at in order to not lose business. arbitrage markets ensure prices stay tight and most of this is automated at scale, but if I am buying or selling sats locally then the value will be determined voluntarily at that time by the parties involved.

Humans differ axiom.

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