Would it be actual bitcoin if Twitter implemented lighting the same way? Nostr from what I understand is just relays, and some interaction with lightning has been built into it. I’m jaded by the fact that the bitcoin community has converted to nostr/damus from Twitter when Damus ISNT bitcoin. It’s just a harder to develop version of online communication aka social media.
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yes if you only care about bitcoin and not free speech protocols then this place might not be your thing. But free speech money pairs well with a free speech communications protocol. This is why many bitcoiners are here, and non bitcoiners who share the same vision.
I’m no Nostr developer, or Damus like developer on top of it, but I find it hard to believe you couldn’t censor what you liked in this app if you so had the will. I could be wrong of course… but, if you could, to me that’s a “decentralised” kind of decentralisation that a lot of altcoins boast about.
I could censor client side but then people would stop using my app or fork it to not have that. I have no ability to censor the actual data since I don’t control that.
It’s all open source. There’s nothing to “believe” or “not believe”. The code doesn’t lie. Nostr and Damus are indeed censorship resistant.
Ethereum is open source too
That doesn’t have any relevance to what I just said?
I’m not trying to deflect. I think I’m making an apt point. “No ceo” as about reliable as a qualification as so many cryptos that exist. Bitcoin truly has no ceo. Nostr is not the same
Very true. Just because something is open source doesn’t mean it’s good. What you may be missing is when you combine an extremely good free speech protocol and open source you get a killer product.
Nostr truly has no CEO either. I encourage you to read the spec. https://github.com/nostr-protocol/nips
Censoring is controlled by USERS (block, liberally) and by RELAYS (who can ban npubs).
The censorship resistant aspect takes place at Relay level - so long as ONE Relay accepts your posts, you can be seen by those who subscribe to that Relay.
Right now, Relays don't censor, because no one is willing to pay them to.
But nothing stops you offering, let's call it "Disney" Relay or "Church" Relay, and then actively monitoring it, and banning people who break the rules, and thus offering a form of walled garden for like minded people willing to pay you $1-$5pm ish to be part of your Relay (and, probably, no others, or other similar).
Nostr is not bitcoin
Nostr is not blockchain
Nostr is cryptography
Nostr is free speech
The reason Nostr and bitcoin are closely related is because they were both designed in the cypherpunk ethos of free and open information secured by cryptography.
Yes, if Twitter implemented lightning in the same way it would still be actual #Bitcoin. It doesn’t matter who implements it.
For example. I can’t figure out intuitively how to reply to you again after I’ve already replied.
I’ve clicked buttons but I can only figure how to reply to myself. I didn’t mean shitcoin as though it’s an alt to some bitcoin; to me nostr is a best try of something we haven’t figured out how to do well yet. To me it’s kind of like a shitcoin. Lots of bells and whistles but no substantial use. And it’s only realbitcoin in so far as the wallets you allow is to interact with have real Satoshis. But 99% of us use have custodians in those wallets
I think you might be confused about zaps. Zaps arent sent “over nostr”. They are just regular lightning transactions, with an extra protocol for signaling to the nostr network that the transaction has occurred. It’s just adding a social element to lightning transactions. The transactions themselves haven’t changed.
I understand that. Zaps could be implemented the same way anywhere. Damus isn’t special in that sense, Twitter could do the same. You only need to look at 90% of the the big influencers on Twitter who moved and promoted Nostr… they always say something like “it’s better there, and zaps are a motivation”. And those are just the influencers… most common folk come for the same reason, by
Nostr, and Damus especially, aren’t proof of work, they centralised in the same way shitcoins are.
Sure they’re more resistant to censorship than you average social media. But are they some bitcoin-esque decentralised? No. Therefore I don’t get why we worship this protocol so much. Sure I’m being pedantic, but people are acting like it’s going to save the world. Our standards are low it seems
Well zaps are a nostr spec, they are decentralized in that sense. If Twitter wanted to implement zaps they would have to implement nostr or somehow get lightning providers to upgrade their infrastructure to sent twitter-zaps when someone sends bitcoin on twitter. I don’t think it would be as easy as you think. The reason wallet of satoshi and alby implemented zaps is because it’s an open protocol. Twitter is not an open protocol .
I don’t understand what your complaint is, it sounds like you are changing complaints? The protocol is decentralized. Damus is an iphone way to access the data, but you can use a different client on your computer, like snort or astral. You can use amethyst on your android phone.
I think it’s neat that damus tracks the amount of lightning that a post generates.
We were discussing prisms at our meetup last night, and how nested zaps could maybe waterfall back to the original poster and also the person that shared the content.
This protocol, and the clients that access it are being built while we are using it. I think that’s pretty amazing.
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Nostr is just a websocket protocol for data exchange. A twitter clone is one use case. That’s why people are excited.
You are turned of by influencer types which is valid, but you are not fully understanding the ramifications of open, censorship resistant data exchange
There’s no way #Nostr is as centralized as any shitcoin. You are comparing orange to bananas in the first place.
#Nostr is not a blockchain, does not have any token or any form of consensus.
#Nostr is a protocol for Clients and Relays to communicate:
⚡️Clients can only send 3 types of messages;
⚡️Relays can only respond 2;
And that’s it. That’s revolutionary cause it’s simple, and a Relay is analogous to a #Bitcoin node in the sense that it’s super easy and cheap to get one to yourself, and the reason there’s plenty public ones to choose from.
You fail to understand that basically nothing would want to, or even try to - because it would be impossible - be as decentralized as Bitcoin. This kind of decentralization is irreplicable social phenomenon and not necessary anyway. Conditions are non existent to ever happen again.
What we want is sufficiently decentralized - which is exactly what we get here, through the way it’s designed - to achieve what we want:
Tamper proof, resilient and censorship resistant internet.
Have you read the GitHub repo?