They chose a specific, select number - a default. What’s stopping them from removing those relays entirely as a choice.
I find the Twitter threads make for a very easy experience. Especially being able to filter on most popular (zaps), most recent, most controversial (most replies)
You could swap who you follow on whatever app you like... And sure “open protocols” don’t have to have algorithms, or they could have them and you could choose between them, as you say. But, again, that’s potentially the same with any app… an implementation like Damus could have an algorithm that’s “good”, or one that manipulates you just like the big tech companies. Anyone or any corporation can make a Damus… and by the way Damus does it already. Just go to the search tab and check the top right filter… Damus already chooses for you what you’re exposed to.
Go to the search tab on Damus. In the top right there’s a filter where you can pick which relays you see posts from. For me half of them were unchecked. The unchecked ones were mostly spam and crap, but it just shows that (1) the Damus developers could choose to censor or promote whatever the fuck they like to their users and (2) relays by definition can promote crap or censor crap. Who knows what that could be used for in the future…
That’s a good point. Couldn’t implementations like Damus just be shutdown though? Someone has the power to remove their app from the AppStore, or delete their Git, or their webpage. It’s not Nostr but a lot of people use Nostr exclusively through things like Damus.
I’m not disagreeing with you. Their algorithms can be harmful. It doesn’t make algorithms bad per se though. I don’t want to get into the psychology of humans, but you can easily get sucked into things that are bad for your mental health just from the people you follow or listen to.
I’m just saying, never having an algorithm is limiting and a waste to any social app. A good algorithm will show you things or people you like, or things that you might not like but challenge you in a healthy way. This is all very subjective, but I’ve discovered a lot of incredible people, music and channels because of algorithms on YouTube, for example.
An algorithm can be written to cater to what you like. Naturally that will make you stay more. It’s the same as someone you like recommending some else.
Algorithms aren’t bad. We use them everyday, whether it’s Twitter, youtube, Google, or even conversation. Twitter’s sucks, but I don’t think algorithms are bad in general
I’m not done with you
Ok. I agree fully. I’m
Or advocating for one relay, but you said what’s the point of having a relay if people can just unfollow it? I’m saying it so cheap to make relays that “good” relays can easily turn into “bad” relays.
No ads is good. No algorithm? Do you get suggested anything outside of what other users suggest? Or shitshow that is the search tab? No ceo is good too.
Ye, if they knew, they would. Defeat the point in what sense? On a technical level, why not just have one global relay then? If no one would ever use a relay nefariously then surely one would just be enough?
I don’t think you can compare TCP/IP to Nostr, or bitcoin. They’re just completely different things
From what I understand you could create one and do it
In nostr you write a post and send it to a server. Relays can accept it or censor it. The latter: you just make your own relay. But there’s no cost to you or anyone else doing this, there’s no proof of work. It can be meddled with (and again, sure, you could create your own network) but you’re (1) choosing to ignore what’s supposedly on the server already (aka censoring) or (2) it’s cheap to create hostile relays that collude. It’s probably better for free speech than Twitter, but god it’s so painful as a base layer. At least to me.
I’m saying Nostr doesn’t have the qualities we’re actually dreaming of when it comes to communication we can’t censor. This isn’t the bitcoin to crypto.. somehow the alt coin came first. And so maybe usability is simply better at this point. I haven’t seen a single post on Damus that someone couldn’t have posted on Twitter (aside from porn spam which I’m sure we all love). I think Twitter and lighting would just be better. Again, maybe I’m just a hater
I’m not trying to deflect. I think I’m making an apt point. “No ceo” as about reliable as a qualification as so many cryptos that exist. Bitcoin truly has no ceo. Nostr is not the same
I am talking about Nostr. Are you dating Nostr is as decentralised as a protocol as bitcoin? I’m comparing it to other decentralised protocols like [insert your favourite non pow protocol here]
