What if lightning was completely abstracted away?

No more lightning.

Just bitcoin.

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LN is all about instant settlement, not fractions

So? Why does the user need to know? Call it bitcoin instant 🤣

Good point! LFG! 🤣😂🤣

Hey normie. There’s this thing called Bitcoin. There’s 2.1 quadrillion of them. We can send them to each other using BitcoinSlow or BitcoinInstant. 🤣

Bitstant 😆

normies can't even comprehend trillion and you want to tell them bitcoin has quadrillions?

and you want to change the unit price to ~1000 "bitcoins" per dollar?

normies are gonna think that means bitcoin ded, you numbskull

Yes

it's called "bitcoin lightning" bro

I think eventually it will be.

I mean nothing stops us from making the change

The coffee ☕ will be 3€ + 25000sats fee

Prices in fiat #btcfail

In the end the service offering us BTC payments will always convert btc to fiat because untill we pay taxes in fiat, there's no other way unfortunately.

This is what I've been saying!

I think there's reasons for both. But we don't even have the basics. Normal Bitcoin support should be a baseline.

I've been saying this since day 1. It is entirely absurd that that nostr clients do not support normal Bitcoin.

Nostr is barely, or not growing. Devs have limited resources. Are 10-60 minute payments what increases interest and retention in nostr, or is it something else?

This would be nice too

Iiuc, the OP means abstracting away the concept of Lightning, not Lightning itself. Lightning is "normal Bitcoin".

If "normal Bitcoin" means L1 on-chain Bitcoin to you: it's not worth it (too slow and *way* to expensive).

Unlike sats to Bitcoin, this is sensible and necessary.

Just as no consumer cares which card network their credit card payment rides, they won’t care about Lightning.

Hide the Lightning

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This is sensible unlike the sats/bitcoin debate. LN is a protocol layer. People use "the internet", they don't think "I'm using TCP now, and then I'll use IP." Same should be true for bitcoin and lightning.

what if everything is hidden away? it’s just payments

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lightning and on chain will be 2 distinct things for at least a while though

Lightning sucks so I approve