Counting calories is a scam, just as tracking sleep hours is a scam.

Parents with kids sleep less, and live longer than sleep time optimizers.

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such a bizarre statement. I just see it as a tool to maintain a calorie deficit

Regarding the sleep:

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Regarding the calories, family friend went all in on this, and did not see results he wanted. YMMV

To me this is like saying “tape measures are a scam when building a building”

sure you could just wing the measurements but when things start falling over and you don’t know why…

for me calorie counting is just a way to diagnose why i’m not losing weight that fast. A data driven approach is useful for a brain like mine. I like to see numbers, stats, health bars.

If i fast all day and eat 3000 calories in one meal then i still won’t lose weight.

Not to mention your maintenance calories changes with your weight… i don’t see how you can just wing it and expect progress.

The point is that weight isn't the same as health, you can get stuck optimizing for a symptom that way. Body gains weight for good reasons too. It's the weigh in problem. If that's the limbo marker that's how low you gotta get.

right… so how is having no data on what your ingesting help diagnose problems ? seems like counting calories and macros explicitly helps you here