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Leo Wandersleb

Samourai devs are evil people. We have to #FreeSamourai anyway.

This video is fantastic at explaining why.

https://youtu.be/PrXhgn2XnKs?si=wzUk90S_f6hQU8BV

Judge Hardcase 1w ago 💬 2

Samourai pleaded guilty.

What evidence exits of the charge they pleaded guilty to?

What evidence exists of any other charges that were dropped as a condition of their guilty pleas?

The bottom line is, as a result of their guilty pleas, the prosecution never had to present thir case in court, so the public may never necessarily know the answers to these questions. Instead, we have the obviously self-serving narrative provided by Samourai.

As such, I think we need to be careful about insiting "We have to free them". I mean, it's okay to want them to be free. But, we probably shouldn't be spreading the speculation that the feds will be coming after all privacy software develpers based on an incomplete understanding of what evidence the feds might have had to convince Samourai to plead guilty.

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SuiGenerisJohn 1w ago 💬 4

I haven’t taken a position on these individuals. I will say that post-conviction pardoning campaigns are fake and ghey and we should direct our energy at the disease not the symptoms. If they hadn’t made a tremendous amount of money from their software while publicly encouraging it be used for crimes, I might have an easier time taking a position. But trying to plead for favors from our tyrants makes me sick to my stomach. William Wallace cried for freedom, not mercy.

Sai 1w ago

Word

HoloKat 1w ago 💬 1

Wasn’t the cry all Hollywood? 😆 if I were dragged for 6 miles by a horse, I doubt I’d be able to say a single sound as I was hanging by the neck.

SuiGenerisJohn 1w ago

References to fiction can be taken at face value.

Hanshan 1w ago 💬 1

isnt it because of a post-conviction pardoning campaign that Ross isn't in jail anymore?

"we shouldn't direct our energy at the injustice that's already been done, we should concentrate on the system tjat caused the injustice"

is a reasonable take.

but why not do both? 🤨

SuiGenerisJohn 1w ago 💬 2

Im happy for Ross but assuming resources are unlimited to battle on every front is not my instinct. I’m just not inclined to focus on individuals unless those individuals are pristinely sympathetic that it can move the zeitgeist. People can spend their resources however they want, this is just my opinion.

Hanshan 1w ago 💬 1

weird that Ross is a sympathetic character ,

while openly thumbing his nose at LE and enabling criminals.

but Samourai isnt.

but he's such a *nice young man... 💕

i get it, people aren't actually intellectually consistent.

Cykros 1w ago 💬 2

Ross did already do 10 years seems like part of that emotional calculus. And Samourai did also do a little nose thumbing with tweets welcoming Russian oligarchs.

Just to play devil's advocate. They should all be free and made whole regarding any coins or other expenses they incurred.

Hanshan 1w ago

it IS true that if you poke the bear like that you gotta expect them to come after you.

and they sorta did.

sorta.

but I'd say they still didn't take it seriously enough and still felt like the system would be fair.

Cykros 1w ago 💬 5

The extent to which it was unfair and didn't follow its own rules is particularly egregious with Samourai. I know it's a legend and not established history, but it does feel like a time when King Alfred's hanging of the judges to restore justice is an event worthy of consideration. Especially with regard to SDNY.

Hanshan 1w ago

oh now THAT sounds like an interesting precedent....

but would nostr:npub1v7k63c6y2vktlqhsuupywt3yc7ykursujc34at964f9cv9s9y9csjutfk0 support our pardon?!

Cykros 1w ago

If I were Trump I'd pardon everyone convicted by SDNY on principal.

Cykros 1w ago

Maybe with some exceptions for truly dangerous people.

Maybe.

Cykros 1w ago

Might be worth floating as an option for what he'll do if and only if Vance loses in 2028. Just to avoid footgunning the party too much.

Cykros 1w ago 💬 2

Caesar marched his armies on Rome; Trump could flood America with inmates.

Hanshan 1w ago

lol

good lord.

cant quite see it.

Cykros 1w ago 💬 1

Not quite -- he likes to talk a tough game but he's right in with the lot of the corruption

Enki 1w ago

I don't fully agree here, but I do agree that post conviction pardoning campaigns almost pointless here. Considering almost the whole case hinges on them being a money transmitter (something FINSEN said they were not by design, but were prosecuted for anyway) shows that they were going to be made an example of no matter what IMO.

But I will say I am disgusted by the people saying they got what they deserved though just because they were the "mean red wallet".

John 1w ago

Reminds me too much of arsonist-firefighters

"Oh you want me to fix the problem I caused?"