Nostr Web Client

SimplifiedPrivacy.com 2y ago

Showdown!

Signal, Session, SimpleX, Matrix, XMPP, Briar

Who is the...

Most adopted by everyday people:

Signal

Most adopted on darkweb:

XMPP

Most adopted by corporations:

Matrix

Most adopted by militaries:

XMPP

Least Censored for individuals:

Session

Least Censored against platform level bans:

Briar

Most likely to confuse criminal courtrooms:

SimpleX

Best for Journalists:

Session

(due to first contact metadata)

Best for political revolution:

Briar

Most vulnerable to psychological phising:

SimpleX

Most vulnerable to metadata attacks:

Signal

Most vulnerable to backdoor updates:

Signal

Most device-to-device sync issues:

Matrix

Least device-to-device sync issues:

Signal

Most audited:

XMPP

Most centralized network:

Signal

Most decentralized network:

Briar

Most decentralized development:

XMPP

Most misunderstood & untapped potential:

Session

Most likely to grow:

SimpleX

(due to corporate APIs)

My personal favorites:

Session for censorship

SimpleX to hide

XMPP for strangers/friends

Signal for family

(Because good luck getting your grandma on Briar)

Ask me in the comments any new categories or dispute!

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Discussion

sommerfeld 2y ago

WhatsApp started as a fork of xmpp. That would technically make xmpp the most adopted one.

SimplifiedPrivacy.com 2y ago

Very true. That was a point in our xmpp vs matrix video

BTW I have been following your posts. Great stuff. Explain to me/everyone how to write to the privacy group

sommerfeld 2y ago

You need to use a nostr client that supports communities such as nostrudel, satellite or amethyst.

You just look for the /n/privacy community and make a new post, just like in reddit.

The bad part is that me as the moderator need to manually approve your note. The moderation tooling is nonexistent at this point so I don't even get notified that I have new posts to review. I suggest you DM me to remind me to approve your submission.

SimplifiedPrivacy.com 2y ago

How does one search for it other than scrolling through list manually

237f9e52... 2y ago

The same here with one exemption.

I deleted Session.

SimplifiedPrivacy.com 2y ago

Sorry to hear that, session has a lot of advantages such as onion routing off tor, and uncensored dns

237f9e52... 2y ago

SimpleX replaced Session and Signal/Molly for general use.

I still keep Molly to contact my grandmother and my tech-resilient friends and fellows.

For new contacts I use only SimpleX. I don't inform that I have Molly/Signal.

XMPP (own server, .i2p domain) is my main protocol for the closest circle.

SimplifiedPrivacy.com 2y ago

SimpleX is all the developers DNS and majority the developers servers. Session and xmpp can both replicate multiple identities on one device easily. But with far more separation. I like the concept of SimpleX and that's why our team made a tutorial video and script on self hosting.

However please don't smear session as it offers real censorship resistance just because you like simplex UI

frphank 2y ago

What's the "developers DNS". You can host your own server. Are you spreading FUD.

SimplifiedPrivacy.com 2y ago

The URL to open a new conversation is simplex.chat

frphank 2y ago

This doesn't make any DNS lookups or HTTP requests to the simplex.chat website if you have the app installed. It's an indicator for the mobile OS to open the link straight in the app, and the app will only look at the part after the hash.

If you don't have the app installed, this will indeed open in the browser and do a DNS lookup and HTTP request to the simplex.chat website. The website will just tell the user where to download the app. The URL part after the hash with connection details will not be sent to the website.

For these reasons, SimpleX will keep working *perfectly fine* when the website is down and there is no DNS entry for simplex.chat even. New users will then have to figure out by themselves where to download the app. This is important if the simplex.chat website gets nefariously taken down one day.

You can even use the alternative URL format that starts with simplex:// when sharing contact links if you're too concerned.

I don't think you understand how these things and are spreading FUD.

SimplifiedPrivacy.com 2y ago

Regardless of the simpleX website being up or not, it’s linked to their DNS. And regardless of if you self-host your SMP sever, SimpleX controls your encryption key.

This is definitely different than Session storing your DNS entry on a blockchain. My point is not to belittle simpleX, the purpose is to point out that Session is focused on censorship, and SimpleX is focused on being invisible/hiding metadata.

SimplifiedPrivacy.com 2y ago

Control the public encryption key from being found that is. For that entry

frphank 2y ago

You keep inventing a "link to their DNS" it's not as per my other response. No one controls the user's encryption key other than the user on their app, self-hosted server or not.

What's your agenda here are you just stupid or nefarious.

SimplifiedPrivacy.com 2y ago

Continued discussion on simpleX

frphank 2y ago

I think you're just stupid but it's still dangerous.

cactus 2y ago

Why Briar best for a revolution?

SimplifiedPrivacy.com 2y ago

Revolt against who?

For first world "soft tyranny", session is far better, at least until they add direct Loki connections which they will in the future. Then it will be perfect

For hardcore tyranny right now, session can be taken down at a platform level. For a pure dictatorship with no internet or censored, briar right now has advantage

237f9e52... 2y ago

LoRa -Meshtastic.

SimplifiedPrivacy.com 2y ago

This is true. Session simplex ect would all benefit from a 2nd internet peer to peer. Solana is also doing with with pollen mobile

cactus 2y ago

Could you kindly tell, what are the mentioned advantages of Briar? Also, what is a direct Loki connection?

SimplifiedPrivacy.com 2y ago

Briar is direct peer to peer doesn't work w other person offline.

https://simplifiedprivacy.com/briar-1-private-messenger-but-no-audio-calls/

SimplifiedPrivacy.com 2y ago

Websites can use lokinet like tor w a .Loki address instead of .onion

Direct Loki connection refers to completely getting rid of the current centralization in session through moving over to Loki addresses for public key accounts to be more reliant on the internal network as opposed to just routing through lokinet.

rado1 2y ago

What for children?

My 8r has has signal and session and demanding whatsup (all her friends have whatsup). Still persisting to not install it to her.

SimplifiedPrivacy.com 2y ago

There are anti government resources for children such as tuddle twins

Silvia 2y ago

Treat the internet like a firearm and cigarettes. 📱🔫🚬

Children under 16 as a rule shouldn't be online. They can socialize and educate offline. With completion of cybersecurity and basic how-computers-and-the-internet-work classes, they can be given gradual access to the internet.

A child should never "demand". If you've got a situation where she's comfortable continuing to whine after you said "no" and explained why, then you have way bigger problems than which app to use. You need to fix that relationship asap or all your helicopter parenting will backfire bigtime.

The sum of the world's knowledge, and a public face to every human on the planet, aren't things you just give to a child.

rado1 2y ago

Oh. It sounds so "libertarian".

Silvia 2y ago

i get the sarcasm but dunno why you're bringing political models into family government…🤔

#confused

rado1 2y ago

It's not about politics in family. It's about the way how to live with children.

Silvia 2y ago

am i understanding correctly that your way of living with children is "libertarian"?

If yes, could you send any resources you like that teach about this? I'm unfamiliar with that philosophy and am curious. Doesn't need to be English.

My stance right now is that unbridled freedom to children is harmful. They need gradual exposure training and demonstration of self control.

rado1 2y ago

Your answer is for question of somebody else, not mine.

Sorry, I don't see any match.

Silvia 2y ago

Wildfire 2y ago

I managed to get my Mom on XMPP, but the rest of my family would rather cut me out of their life than install an app on their phone.

For the rest on my end I got a VoIP phone number bridged to XMPP from jmp.chat. Less than ideal, but at least we can get a hold of each other when we need to.

cf224334... 2y ago

Vulnerable to psychological attacks?

SimplifiedPrivacy.com 2y ago

Yeah, for example,

people on nostr write their simplex profile. Everyone can see nostr metadata. So if you write someone on nostr , then a hacker can write back on simplex saying to talk here its safer

crany 👽🧡🗿 2y ago

so second factor authentication of who you're actually communicating with on SimpleX is important

antifragilemoney 2y ago

What about Shinx Chat or Cipher Chat?

How do these compare to above?