After a year of using GrapheneOS, time to go back to regular cuck android.

Getting real tired of notifications not working, no NFC/gPay, Bluetooth bugged out in my car, forced updates every 2-4 days.

Call me a larp but it's too far past my convenience vs privacy threshold.

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I’ve only played around with it on a secondary device. Not sure I could use it as my daily driver.

Yeah, gonna use it as a travel phone and/or if I need to do some political coordination stuff.

I installed it before participating in the trucker protests.

Yeah, I’m glad I know it’s an option for things like that. Also, if I’m interfacing with certain bitcoin stuff that requires a mobile OS, I get that use-case as well.

Bitcoin wallets WoS and Muun don't work on GrapheneOS either :/

That’s a bummer. Makes zapping harder.

Those apps require play services , which can be installed in grapheme os, so yes, they work.

Requiring play service defeats the whole purpose of degoogling tho, why use graphene then install google shit on it?

Yeah, I kinda thought the same thing.

But that is WoS and Muun fault, not graphene.

Using play services on graphene stills give you better privacy than using it on a regular android OS since play services will be sandboxed and won't have more privileges than any other app.

But the best solution is to have different profiles, the main where you do not have have any Google stuff, and another profile where you have play services with apps they need it like banking.

Breez does. And its better cause non-custodial.

WoS and Muun both work fine on my GrapheneOS Pixel 7. I use WoS daily, Muun rarely but it is installed & working.

You can use mempool.space

Say,what if someone wants to spend/trade Bitcoin in a store or exchange for money or goods?What do they need to show to prove they have UTXO's ?Do they show address,the Txid,Or the QRCode?

what if someone wants to spend/trade Bitcoin in a store or exchange for money or goods?What do they need to show to prove they have UTXO's ?Do they show address,the Txid,Or the QRCode?

Oof, it's that bad?

It's definitely annoying. But the privacy is real. Called 911 once, they couldn't locate me lol 😅

Have you tried ubuntu mobile?

Nope but sounds like a phone with no apps 😅

What distro of android are you planning to use next

Whatever the latest is on the new pixels, not too up to speed on distros these days.

Love Linux but there is nothing working on it. If you just want to surf and send mails it might be enough. Waydroid is still alpha in order to get android apps on it.

Thats actually super cool. I bet they were really confused.

😂😂😂

It's real privacy when 911 don't know your location.

Did you ever try calyxOS? Much less difficult but a little less private.

Yep I did, according to my research it's also less secure than stock android, because they don't patch fast enough.

Also many of my local Canadian apps (ie online banking) didn't work on calyx

Did online banking work with calyx?

I mean graphene

Half worked, the 2fa doesn't work (no notifications) and I get locked out randomly for "suspicious" activity

Im waiting for Adam Back's phone service and phones. That seems much more promising.

It’s really difficult to choose what to use nowadays. Almost convinced we need two different phones for different purposes

Don't give in!

I'm sorry I give up man :(

Security and comfortability are inverse proportional.

You can have high security, with low comfortability.

Or you can have high comfortability with low security.

Hard to find the harmony.

linux phones are even worse

Hmm I have a pixel 7 and don’t have issues with Bluetooth. Notifications work fine with sandboxed play services installed (although I opt not to have it because I prefer not to hear dings for notifications every few mins).

The updates are pretty unintrusive imo and show you the devs are pushing out real work frequently.

There is NFC, but no Gpay, that’s true. I don’t want google tracking all my purchases anyway…

I feel you though, my first few months I kept wanting to go back to iPhone, so much easier and intuitive. But I guess security/privacy have a price.

Just wanted to share an alternative pov for folks considering going down the more privacy/security path.

Don't let anyone make you feel bad about your privacy choices. As long as you're aware of the tradeoffs for your situation it's all good.

Calyx is worth trying as a middle ground

Tried it, didn't like

I have no regrets going back to using an iPhone for my daily driver.

Graphene pixel for more sensitive btc/XMR stuff, but the proper backup solution (now E2EE), plus everything “just working” on iOS while giving you better privacy and security (often overlooked) than cucked Android was enough for me to make the switch back.

My notifications, NFC (don't use gPay), Bluetooth all work fine. Pixel 7. Even cross-profile notifications work fine as long as I'm logged in to both.