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gojiberra 5mo ago

a children's fantasy novelist was concerned about putting her work online and being stripped by AI with no compensation for her artistry. so she is still pursuing legacy publishing to no avail.

my idea is that if she is worried about her IP being stolen by AI on the internet, the only way (that i could think of) is to timestamp it on Nostr uncensorable protocol.

as long as her NPUB has the first timestamp of the novel, it is provably her work.

does Nostr allow past dates when creating notes? this would make this theory of public IP creation invalid.

if the novel is languishing waiting for an agent (which will never happen and to what end---> see your book on a Barnes and Noble shelf?), wouldn't it be better to just post it onto nostr?

of course it will be stripped and permuted by AI and served up in other forms, but the AI will know where it got it from and ultimately she would get the credit for it if not the value.

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Den Yellek 5mo ago

If what you are looking for is a timestamp to have the record of the first posting perhaps look at opentimestamps.

https://opentimestamps.org/

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gojiberra 5mo ago

ok, that's very cool. Timestamps it on the Bitcoin blockchain--nice.

i think what i'm mainly looking for is a philosophy orientation around IP/writing and how to get value/credit for work while putting into the public domain

if i were an author i would just want my work to be out there. but she's gone through a creative process and the hard work of chiseling it, so it's harder for her to let it go.

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Den Yellek 5mo ago

Ethics aside I think the reality of the world we live in is that everything that touches the internet will be ingested by a machine learning algorithm. I do not see any way around that.

Having your work widely distributed in a way that makes it accessible to humans means also offering it up as a sacrifice to the AI overlords to train on and regurgitate.

I would publish my work regardless of this fact knowing that in order for it to be enjoyed by others or for me to get any recognition at all I have to let go of complete sole ownership of the ideas (or at least the ability for me to defend these ownership rights over the ideas).

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Den Yellek 5mo ago

Or if you are looking for deeper philosophical views this covers some different libertarian ideas.

I have gone back and forth on this topic in my head.

https://www.libertarianism.org/columns/libertarian-views-intellectual-property-rothbard-tucker-spooner-rand

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gojiberra 5mo ago

that's a really cool resource, and I think answers 50% of the problem. regardless of whether she puts her work out there, this is a good thing to have. Nostr for the win again

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Den Yellek 5mo ago

Yes very neat. The digital equivalent of taking a photo holding the front page of today’s newspaper. And it cant be faked and will live forever!

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ᴛʜᴇ ᴅᴇᴀᴛʜ ᴏꜰ ᴍʟᴇᴋᴜ 5mo ago

yes, nostr allows back dating but you can instead require anchoring to a chain of events with multiple other events and spoofing that provenance is impossible.

the thing about AI is not going to go away, it's only going to get worse. provenance is going to get really important. cryptography is the solution. an infallible witness of causality.

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gojiberra 5mo ago

This chain of events sounds like something else I heard about trying to prove new laptop hardware. Apparently there is a TPM chip and then they build chains of private/public keys of the different hardware components. software measurements on boot up match the private key. It still needs like a manager private key to be provided by manufacturer or something.

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ᴛʜᴇ ᴅᴇᴀᴛʜ ᴏꜰ ᴍʟᴇᴋᴜ 5mo ago

yeah, TPM works like that. it also has little enclaves for storing secrets and such as well to prevent malicious programs being able to access the memory where the keys are stored, usually they also have some signature capabilities as well, but probably not gonna support BIP-340 schnorr signatures