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Solar:

-is low density

-is unreliable

-is intermittent

-makes electricity more expensive anywhere there is a grid

-is mandated by bureaucrats

-is subsidized by you, other families, and businesses

-increases the cost of electricity

-fragilizes the grid

-panels are produced by 100% coal energy

-panels leak toxic chemicals into the environment

-panels cannot be recycled

-is an attack on human flourishing by way of malinvestment, and non-investment in reliable base generation in nuclear, coal, nat gas, and hydro

-does not replace reliable base generation in nuclear, coal, nat gas, and hydro

-is great for places and situations without grid energy

:P 10mo ago

Solar is literally is one of the only sovereign forms of energy. What else can you put on your property to create electricity? (Most don’t have running water for hydro)

No coiners say similar things about Bitcoin.

It may not be the most efficient way to create energy but it allows the average joes to produce their own energy and doesn’t need to replace other forms of power generation. It’s not a winner takes all type of thing.

You are advocating for moar centralized power from oligarchs which is pretty hypocritical if you consider yourself a bitcoiner.

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elsat 10mo ago

Solar is forced on me and you.

If you have solar on your roof connected to the grid, you are forcing (by way of bureaucrat mandate) your neighbors to buy expensive electricity from you.

I’m all for choice.

Being forced to buy solar is not choice, neither does solar replace reliable power gen.

The places with grids that scam their people and businesses into solar cause energy poverty, and businesses to shut down.

Crazy Horse Malt Beverage 10mo ago

Solar proponents never want to talk about the looming hazardous e-waste disaster as millions of panels are tossed.

Reivan Stokes 10mo ago

A solar panel can literally sustain satelites an stations in outer space and people can become sovereign with a baterry pack not depending on big state dependant electricity companies but people are against it because plants dont grow. Surreal

elsat 10mo ago

You did not read my note.

Let me copy paste for you:

“Solar is great for places and situations without grid energy”

elsat 10mo ago

Satellites are a great application for solar!

As are remote islands, and places without grids as we have in the developed world.

Reivan Stokes 10mo ago

I did, and I also think its great in situations with grid connections. Its the best and cheapest way up to date to reduce dependecies from electricity companies. You can even be at their same level and sell them the extra electricity you produce.

I have never seen a war yet started because a country has more sun, but non-renewable energy deposits are a big point of conflict

elsat 10mo ago

I dont want to pay 3x - 5x and not be able to afford electricity like the Danes, or Germans.

Solar does *not* replace reliable power gen, as it is *not* acceptable to have power blackouts in the west.

You may not sell electricity you don’t have. You will have to find reliable power gen sellers from abroad to bail you out.

Reivan Stokes 10mo ago

Not saying solar should be the only option, but the more technologies and diversification a country has, the more resilient it is to crisis.

Germany is a good example on not having a diversified enough grid. The dependance on natural gas through the Nord Streams was a huge big point of failure as it can be seen still nowadys.

Europe should generate electrcity from every possible source available, and if in a relatively "free" market there is the option for solar then why not? Obviously Im totally against the corruption and subventions around "green" energies.

elsat 10mo ago

100% agree on diversification of energy sources.

Where I diverge is I clearly distinguish high density energy generation - coal, nuclear, nat gas, hydro - vs low density - solar, wind.

In the case of Germany anti-human moves of shutting down cheap, safe, reliable domestic production in coal and nuclear plants increased energy poverty, and caused businesses to move abroad or shut down.

The UK/Ukr military sabotage of a nat gas pipeline certainly did not help Germany.

I dont think Europe understands or will ever understand free markets.

Mandating solar in “sunny” Germany certainly is not free market.

Nor is it free market for folks to not be able to opt out of high cost, intermittent, and unreliable solar gen.

Reivan Stokes 10mo ago

The fact that this enormous energy companies exist, permits the corruption of the free energy market. German policies shutting down nuclear plant knowing that their renewables source were not even close to substitute made a lot of gas companies happy, and the ex-politixians that casually ended up in these companies too.

I dont like that big energy projects like nuclear plants and huge coal mines are very dependant on politics and public funding, but 100.000 houses with solar pannels and a battery each are way more diffucult to manipulate.

I understand your point though, I am seeing this from a spanish perspective. 🌞🌞