How much passion do you sense from the men in these circles? Do they take care of themselves physically and mentally? Do they excite the women they are with?

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They are some of the best people I know and trust. Theyre protectors of their family and honorable men.

I find men like those described In the op are beta bitches trying to project some alpha appearance. They have a hole inside them that they need to fill. they're easily led and tend to be intellectually average (many times worse).

lastly, the men described in the OP will likely have daughters with no self worth. because they will seek out people just like their fathers.

if you do anything else, don't be a shitbag if you love your daughters.

No lies detected.

One of my favorite conversations was with a man who kept saying toxic masculinity things at a casino. I explained to him to stop. He kept yelling “that bitch in the corner” while on a slot machine. Before this we had a kind conversation. Thought he’d be okay to hear truth.

His big defense: “after my wife left me … I’ve raised five daughters so don’t tell me I’m a sexist.”

Me: How many of them talk to you today?

Prepared myself to take the inevitable punch but he looked as if he’d cry.

My point: I don’t take crap from people IRL & **actively** fight for a better world. Conversations can change perception sometimes. Even the tough ones.

I don’t go out seeking people like this. 99% are kind & loving. It’s the 1% of the toxic that must be neutralized. 😊

its possible you saves their relationships

blaming others is not really a masculine trait though...

"toxic-masculinity" in this case was a man exhibiting feminine, or maybe even infantilised behavior

Constantly screaming “that bitch in the corner” doesn’t scream toxicity to you?

My vagina disagrees. But that’s okay. ✅

😂🙏🫡

I retired from the United States Army & am used to the false bravado of men.