Nostr Web Client

I still don't know how nostr would avoid government interference. #asknostr

Let's say the UK (or some other) government cared about Nostr not complying with their laws, they would go after clients, right? These clients would more than likely comply. Which I don't blame them for obviously.

Considering the structure of Nostr, would they also go after relays?

What is a workaround for this?

More clients? This would just mean more places to be taken down?

Could you have a website that instantly forked eg Damus or Amethyst? So it would on the fly make a new client cloned from these as a New Client apk each time like it was a new client each time?

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7fqx 4mo ago

I'm using 'vibecode' here but I barely understand and it may be the wrong term lol

Ryan 4mo ago

It's actually pretty easy to vibecode a simple Nostr app these days, and it will only get easier. The govt is fucked.

7fqx 4mo ago

But could you make a website that is just a button that says clone me a nostr client. And it will clone amethyst or Damus or jumble and make a 'unique' cloned client each time? Press button, client is cloned and apk is posted to git hub. Oh actually this doesn't work for Apple users but still.

Also isn't it a matter of time till APKs are banned? How about phones which don't even allow a different OS?

Ryan 4mo ago

It can be just a web page. Jumble.social like.

7fqx 4mo ago

Yes, it could make a cloned webpage each time and then it prompts make a PWA..?

7fqx 4mo ago

I don't know lol. I don't think it's as easy as that as someone would need to host all of this lol

Ryan 4mo ago

You can run it straight from your own machine, no hosting necessary.

elsat 4mo ago

All these are open source.

There is a clone button (“fork”) on the code repo of each of these apps.

This means that you and anyone can infinitely reproduce and deploy the code.

elsat 4mo ago

For free, meaning any modern computer, an internet connection, and free will.

7fqx 4mo ago

Sure but I wonder if it would be good as a nice big button that is plug n play forming ;)

dadhodl 4mo ago

It’s not about cloning clients. It’s about exploring the entire terrain of “nostr for X” the way VCs did “Uber for X” in the 2010s.

We collectively don’t know which applications of the relay-self-signed network mental model will truly disrupt the old central-ID-email-password network model of the prior generation.

“Sign in with nostr extension or nsec” is just beginning

7fqx 4mo ago

Sure, that's more longterm, I was thinking about the short-term mostly here cos it could very well be around the corner for the Brits and Euros

CozumelBTC 4mo ago

Perhaps, but most people still have no idea what you are talking about...

Ryan 4mo ago

See also bitcoin, linux. Freedom has a way of catching on.

dadhodl 4mo ago

Life… finds a way.

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Neo ⚡️ 4mo ago

#Yestr

7fqx 4mo ago

Nostr avoids government interference by flying under the radar, as far as I can tell....?

Ryan 4mo ago

I've got the template for the UK govt if I'm ever contacted about my relay.

7fqx 4mo ago

If this were the case why did gab (etc) comply?

Ryan 4mo ago

They're pussies. 4chan isn't, they're fighting it in court.

7fqx 4mo ago

That's cos they're CIA lol

22ec4e77... 4mo ago

and how did that approach work out for gottfrid again?

Ryan 4mo ago

Ofcom can suckle my left nut.

RamenCoffee 4mo ago

In the latest citadel dispatch nostr:nprofile1qqs8nsk2uy2w529fs8n4tx60u7z553e4yx5dy2nxhw4elgjgawpqlaspz4mhxue69uhhyetvv9ujumt0wd68ytnsw43q4hag5n showed an AI agent that constructs clients on the fly.

This solves the client problem.

For the relays, if they can't stop torrenting, they can't stop relays.

7fqx 4mo ago

But was are the realistic worse case scenarios and what are the realistic workarounds?

Govs go after clients

Govs go after relays

Govs go after media hosts (eg nostrbuild)

The last one seems the most easy to attack, there's barely any of those.

5oundless 4mo ago

Are you really free from your government if you're constantly running away? How is that any different from our current lives? That's not to say that you should sit down and shut up, but what are we doing to actually improve our quality of life?

waxwing 4mo ago

Relays are the problem for censorship resistance, much more than clients.

bitcoinranger 4mo ago

Those relays that are over 🧅 aren’t at risk if set properly. Sad that we have only few and they are well traced 🤷‍♂️

https://github.com/0xtrr/onion-service-nostr-relays

waxwing 4mo ago

Right, that's going to be the test, running relays on anonymizing networks.

xenonsky 4mo ago

you can always use nostr.band ..?

this ban or biometrical verification is about the shaping of digital identity I guess

7fqx 4mo ago

What I'd nostrbuild was pressured by a gov? Tbh that's the most likely thing to happen as they're media hosts