despite the dismay, tiktok nostr client would onboard a lot of people!
just would be complicated. it’s such a deeply centralized, algorithmic based platform. more than all the other platforms tbh. it’s hard to think of how a decentralized version would work.
I don’t know if it would take off without significant investment into content / creators.
i don’t think tiktok had that at all for while before the creator fund was made.
Not sure how they got started but I think they existed way before they were called tiktok and had a lot of funding? I could be wrong….
they started as musically. was launched by two dudes, popped off by then got purchased for 1 bil by bytedance which already owned a more unknown version of musically, tiktok.
they merged the accounts so people on musically (which got popular due to the death of vine, rip), wouldn’t have to make a new account, then grew to what is now the last version of tiktok. memes and different trends with specific user made sounds was what made it what it is. they didn’t have to fund creators, people wanted to join in on the dances and trends. challenges would also rise in popularity, which had celebrities join in and do the popular challenges for free pr (brings in their audience)
after the death of vine, there was a huge void left for a short form video client that you could scroll on forever and ever on. so that was probably the biggest jumpstart for them. also covid.
#amethyst has tiktok feature, to be honest, it feels not good. not software level, just experience without algorithm.
that’s the challenge. tiktok without its algorithm wouldn’t be here today.
I personally don’t like TikTok and their algorithms much but I do think a video content focused client would appeal to a lot of people and is something that Nostr is missing. I think one of the biggest challenges is the infrastructure and bandwidth requirements to support video distribution without advertising or some other way of funding it.
plus im not gonna download a video app if all the videos are about bitcoin
i mean tiktok started out as an app that people would just lip sync to music. it diversified by its self
id rather nostr copy vine instead of tiktok, 30seconds vids are less time consuming and less bandwith
I think I’d prefer bitcoin videos than the videos the TikTok algorithm recommends for me! 🤣 But I agree, we need a wider range of content and maybe some sort of simple algorithm could help in this case to recommend videos based on what you watch.
I was writing one for Android for learning purposes...
Let me answer back in a year
Tik Tok uses a lot of hypnotic tricks in their centralized algorithms to heighten attention on sensory modalities. It’s the music + audio + visual + kinesthetic stimulation that makes the dopamine go woo. I think something to start would be best focused on video and audio, and should target a focus on educational content more in line with YouTube rather than TikTok.
Decentralized media hosting is probably something a separate protocol should solve really well first. Nostr can be the algorithmic or lack of algorithmic social layer.
Tik tok works not just because of the consumption algorithm, but their highly suggestive capture medium and editing suite. You can byo camera and editing suite, but there is an highly suggestive standard of deliverable. Just offering vertical scrolling video isn’t enough to culturally coerce cohesiveness of the deliverable, and that comes long before sorting them algorithmic.ly
I still haven't heard a compelling reason why the relay-based network topology isn't a good fit for media hosting. Yes, we shouldn't force every relay to accept images, but it still seems like a very good way to handle that problem.
I don’t have a better idea. And there really isn’t a different between xyz monitoring his/her nostr branded image hosting server and monitoring that stored as a relay from an illegal content perspective.
I noticed you defaulted to speaking about images, tik tok is 15-60 seconds but does now allow up to 10 minutes. Is the relay software the same for an image relay, as it is for a 60 second video relay, as it is for 1080p 10 minutes, as it is for 3 hour long 4k videocasts? Maybe the latter, or latter two is torrents stored on relays? Could it/should it all be encrypted and thus dissolve some liability on the relay runner? Maybe they are separate nips and not separate protocols… but does everything that wants to load these decentralized images/video need to be a nostr client? Does that hinge the success or failure of one to the other in an unfortunate way?
I don't really know, it probably depends on the scale. You'd probably want a CDN in any case. I don't know enough about torrents but I would imagine they'd be too slow to support streaming on demand.
As far as separating protocol/nip/whatever, I'm pretty neutral on that, except that media hosting is needed by nostr and if we made it "a separate protocol" that nostr clients had to support anyway it would just reduce adoption and not really solve anything. In the opposite direction, I'm not sure it being nostr or not nostr would matter to non-nostr use cases, it's just an interface people can use or not.
even if it was just one image relay that was operating in a nostr native way, that would allow other relays to spin up… I’d be much more likely to pay for premium services from that.
cohesiveness is something all popular platforms share, yet it is also what dumbs them down. GAB doesn't really have it - you can write super long posts and embed tons of links and images in them, then edit over and over. i like it because it doesn't treat people like retarded children.
This chat section is gold.
i want to see this happen. as you say, i think we can onboard a lot of young people
