This is a long discussion, but there's something about people who produce content, expect people to consume it while simultaneously

1. not doing exactly what they expect you to do: sit and consume media all day instead of touching grass, or actually use the product they're selling you

2. not understand or believe what they're telling you, or bother to do so

These are different people. The marketers that never consume social media, simply post and expect others to watch their content. Most of those who have teams don't even know the communities (or social media services) they're posting to. The sales people that make money selling you a good/service, they themselves, would never use or recommend to their family or friends.

The disconnect:

The ideal: my life is better if I do X, and I'd want my friends and family to do or use X

The reality: Doing Y is not something I'd recommend, but it sells.

"I wouldn't let my kids sit on Instagram all day, but I make a living from other people's kids sitting on Instagram"

Idk, I think there is a market for real things. I think people can value "real" things, but often don't care if it's an inconvenience to them. Believe what you sell, and youll never live this paradox.

Those who have never taken the time to see or experience both sides of this salesman's paradox won't understand.

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> The ideal: my life is better if I do X, and I'd want my friends and family to do or use X

My relationship with nostr is basically a quest to create software that I can justify selling to my friends and family. This is an incredibly high bar when it comes to social media which I have yet to meet.

That's the kind of software I want to use and support. Which is why I'm willing to deal with growing pains of software made by people who give a damn about making it better.

Agreed. I spend little time on here, and try to make the most connections with that time, and I'd inspire people to do the same. As far as kind01 content is concerned. Touch grass, meet people, and learn things.

Thanks for your efforts. I am very happy to be able to have a ride on your published software. It is defnitly a pleasure.

Do you think some of this is due to social media itself being a career instead of just a tool to socialize around something external?

To me, "social media" is hardly accurate if your feed is made of people whose career is built around selling you something on that platform. That's marketing media or some other form of media. I wonder how many feeds outside of Nostr are actually social anymore. The social graph probably looks a lot different than when Facebook or MySpace started.

I actually don't know because I went #Nostr only quite a while ago and only barely used social media several years before that. I faded out because it felt more like antisocial media at some point.

Me too. I was pretty heavy FB user, in communities it was great at it's peak but around late 2019 I started to fall off, work was dragging me in and I decided to cut it off and FB just seemed like they were going out of their way to make the experience worse. Notifications stopped working, chrono threads were gone, peoples responses were ghosted, community posts started disappearing in favor of ads and they were changing the UI daily. It was too much so, as a business we started to pull back, it wasn't healthy for any of us.

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I would say yes, but I think some of what's happened is a natural conclusion, and v4v is the same term. People produce content and people pay for it. The ieda is that it removes the middleman an exposes the exchange of money.

influencer should be a dirty word because they use what are becoming well known psychological warfare techniques to manipulate people

and they depend on cooperation with the *clients* of whatever protocol or platform to enable this manipulation of people's timelines and feeds to achieve it

nostr breaks this pattern but it only breaks it where there is no cooperation between the spooks and the influencoors and the clients, and those of us who are allergic to bullshit are picking clients that don't cooperate, some of us, like me, even refuse to use mobile clients because they are the most cooperative of the front end devs to promoting this bullshit