Because simplex is just telegram from ten years ago. NOSTR private messages are far more secure beyond doubt than whatever simplex is promissing.
Don't be fooled again, telegram was enough.
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Telegram is not foss and i can't helfhost it. But if nostr pm will be private that's great.
Here you go: https://www.0xchat.com
From now forward, use that.
wut?
SimpleX is nothing like telegram. ten years ago or now.
That is like saying that canned tuna isn't the same as canned cod fish.
You are technically right and yet you are still missing the point.
It is just like telegram 10 years ago:
- Open-source
- Russian-owned and developed
- VC funded
- Staggering privacy promises
- realistically only 1 client implemented
- free servers from VC funding
That isn't private. There is zero reliable guarantee that their app won't be sending clear texts messages to some gov when your IP is deemed as "interesting".
Contrast that to PGP-alike NOSTR with hundreds of volunteer servers and dozens of client implementations where you can even send messages by paper if needed.
By all means, please do convince anyone here to place hopes on that telegram 2.0
ok so,
you cant host your own telegram servers.
and you dont have any privacy guarantees from them if you use theirs.
SimpleX cant read your messages,
by design.
even if you're using their infrastructure.
telegram can.
and you can always run your own Simplex relays.
SimpleX messages are always encrypted.
Telegram has option encryption in a closed source context.
these are big differences.
but sure i guess, don't use it because Russian people.
But muh Russia, Russia bad! Even if the Russians know the importance of privacy due to their country egregiously violating it!
What do you think VC money is provided for? Humanitarian reasons?
It is a business, care to guess who is the product?
Those who choose to self-host, thus increasing decentralization and censorship resilience while also ethically benefiting from establishing reliable private communication.
Read from the source, and not federal agents and/or privacy LARP'ers who'll heap praise on fucking Signal and Session as if THOSE aren't compromised.
https://github.com/simplex-chat/simplex-chat/blob/stable/docs/rfcs/2024-04-26-commercial-model.md
You do realize that on that page they are literally inspiring themselves on Signal and "improving" the business model? 😂
Oh well. You will eventually get it after a few more years of promises. Enjoy the carrots! 👍
Enjoy being confidently retarded, no use in wasting my time trying to appeal to someone proud of being wrong.
Oh dear god. Still missing the point.
You are not compiling yourself the client and just blindly install binaries onto your personal phone
You *can* host a server but realistically you don't, nor do 99.99% of the users.
Yes, it is an improved mouse trap despite the very obvious red flags everywhere.
Congratulations, and enjoy the cheese!
no dude
your "point" is Russian dev bad and muh VC monies.
nobody compiles the app themselves, that threat isn't different on nostr either.
the security models of SimpleX and telegram (if telegram could be said to have a security model) are completely different.
so what, you're worried they're going to distribute a malicious build.
why is Simplex a bigger risk for that than anything else?
Please stop. You don't know what you're talking about. nostr private messages are not synced by any central server. The protocol doesn't lend itself to having very reliable Private messages. For privacy, on nostr, there are a few ways to DM and not all clients use the private way. If they don't, it's terrible for privacy. If they do, well you better hope it's battle tested and that your recipient is using a client that supports it, and if it does you better hope it's programmed well enough to reply in kind instead of insecurely.
lol, gov shill jumping out of the cave.
NOSTR functions on the same principle as PGP. The privacy of these messages is beyond doubt since decades.
Shill harder 😂
Bro... You're embarrassing yourself. Nothing about event signatures is encrypting messages. Tell me what nip defines private messaging on nostr and how it achieves it.
Not you ... I knew the answer. He clearly doesn't understand privacy on nostr. It's not a good protocol for reliable private messaging.
And that defines the gift wrapping scheme for nip44 which is used for NIP17 DMs and you better hope any other client involved doesn't switch to nip4 because it doesn't do NIP17. And you have to make sure you're signing the right thing. Oh and let's hope the two people talking are using clients that support outbox too otherwise they'll never see each other's messages unless they happen to be on the same relay. And unless it's a big public relay you have a very small anon set. Finding whose messaging on a private relay is easy (no you can't see what or who is messaging but you know the user base of your relay by their kind0s)
Do you see my point? I know the protocol pretty well. I'm not expert but there are better solutions to private messaging right now.
I was just answering your question for informational purposes, nothings perfect