TIL Amethyst chooses "good experience" over your freedom
It's social credit score system will block people it thinks is bad based on frivolous reports by users
#grownostr #asknostr
#introductions
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"Freedom"
Last time we talked you said that freedom doesn't matter because many users don't learn about or exercise their freedom.
My Amethyst account will never mute any real person. Is that possible if Amethyst chooses a more filtered default experience over my freedom?
if security filters are on, amethyst controls your nostr experience
simple as that
I really hate seeing bots and air drops.
The user should choose their own adventure
I think a good balance here is to have a good default but make it easy and intuitive to choose different presets.
Spam is a huge problem in a open protocol.
And no one wants to use paid relays.
Why spam the hashtags though? This note for example I’d say is spammy just for throwing the hashtags in there without reason.
Then report it faggot and be part of the problem
. It's about spreading awareness. Nostr is supposed to be about Freedom and retarded apps like Amethyst take it away
Not reporting anything, just asking. If you keep spamming hashtags in every post you make you don’t have to wonder why it’s considered spam and blocked by either by users or relays/clients
The hash tags chosen are appropriate to spread awareness.
#introductions - no new users know of censorship
#grownostr - so Nostr's growth will not be fuled by censorship
#asknostr - for newbies
I guess I’d disagree, and apparently so do a bunch of other users. No need to use them in everything you post.
But that’s what makes nostr great, you can go on posting as many spammy hashtags as you want, and users can decide if they want to see those posts or not.
My intuition is that "introductions" should be for new Nostr users introducing themselves, and "asknostr" should be for explicitly asking Nostr non-rhetorical questions.
I want new users to see my posts, I think they would like them. Should I tag every note with "introductions" and "asknostr"?
hey verita. should cp be filtered out by default?
Verita is constantly reporting CP on Nostr. He works with the image hosts to get it taken down. Me personally, I don't think that image hosting should be part of Nostr's protocol in the first place. I think image hosting is a solved problem, and Nostr should rely on existing websites to host its images.
Verita is talking about clientside censorship though. He's talking about people who choose a client that filters posts by default and who don't change those settings.
All of the competing nostr tech has the ability for servers to host their own media. This is why Nostr is behind. The user experience would be better. The nostr relay is retarded and never gets better. Is is the foundation of the entire Nostr experience and gets no love
Do you think the current strategy of reporting CP over and over is sustainable? Technically I think CP is supposed to be reported to the state, not the person hosting the CP. What happens if someone decides to host their own CP on some VPS? Are you just going to keep going back to look at the CP to check and see if it was taken down? It seems like a major legal liability, and its not one that I want pointed at Nostr. Other platforms moderate their content and users completely. Other platforms have tools that Nostr doesn't. Especially while Nostr is young, I think other solutions are much preferable.
someone can upload cp to clearweb servers through tor. reporting this user to state actor does not catch the user.
I am aware. Frankly, I don't give a shit if someone watches or distributes CSAM. I would just prefer they did so on servers that aren't associated with Nostr.
I would prefer if Nostr clients could create a whitelist of large and reliable image hosts, that are already experienced, capable, and willing when it comes to moderating legally dangerous content. I worry about a Blossom server that just ignores any CP being posted on them and then draws legal scrutiny towards Nostr.
Nostr is already special; it shouldn't destroy itself trying to be something that's impossible to do right.
oh it just happened
i reported eepy.express to cloudflare
cloud flare let that csam agency site know
a few days later, no more eepy.express
They were a Fediverse instance, weren't they? If so then they aren't what I'm worried about.
yes. bit their posts spread here
today I reported csam to primal support
Eh, so long as its stored on Fediverse webservers I'm not too worried.
We are lucky that Primal gives a shit. What happens if someone who doesn't give a shit starts running a Blossom server? Are you going to tell the FBI about CP being posted on a Nostr adjacent technology?
primal only cares if you report it
the let csam stay on their platform for months until I reported it
I am the only person paying attention to global
Primal needs to police their CDN servers like nostr.build does
there are image hosts you dont have control over however many times you report to them. in this case the situation is that either client filters out some media or it shows that media.
Are you complaining that illigal images are being removed from image hosting websites? 🤔
im just asking if there is image host that does not respect any takedown requests, should client filter that note out by default if it contains illegal image.
Yes. I think CP is something that should be censored. I don't know how that works for Nostr but it should never be viewable.
If you read clients terms of use they don't allow illigal content to posted.
In practice, clients cannot prevent users from posting illegal content. Any censorship must be initiated by the server, the webhost, or the state.
Plus, part of the reason I'm using Amethyst is because it DOESN'T have any content requirements in its terms of service. Not in its APK/Github/F-Droid version at least.
Kind of? I'm complaining that the takedowns are associated with Nostr, and Nostr is a legally vulnerable protocol. I would be much happier if people posted CSAM on some more robust platform that isn't associated with Nostr.
Either a darknet forum or a random big clearnet image host would work. Neither of those are as directly associated with Nostr as Blossom servers are, and neither of them are particularly harmed by CP being posted on them. Clearnet image hosts because they remove controversial media, and the darknet websites because the state can't do shit against a competent darknet web host.
There should be no place its available or allowed on the internet. It sounds like you are okay with those images... Are you?
You are just virtue signaling. I don't care because the harsh truth is that I CAN'T care. I don't have the RIGHT to care about CSAM. If someone was taking compromising photos and videos of me and if someone was violating my right to modesty then I could snitch on them to the police. But they aren't and I can't.
How about you? Would you star in child porn if it meant you could do something about the child molesters making it?
I am not and I'm not sure what you're going on about.
Oh, you aren't virtue signalling? Then tell me, can you think of anything that you or anyone else could possibly do to catch a competent criminal who is molesting children and distributing their child porn on the darkweb?
That is irrelevant lol. Sounds like you are okay with it being on the internet. I am not.
You seem pretty confident that you aren't just virtue signalling. I would like to understand your response better, so can you say what virtue signalling is to you?
Stop changing the topic. Stop supporting illigal content on the internet.
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I said I don't give a shit. Do my posts that support or enable child porn compared to your posts? Are either of us doing anything that makes a difference?
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Do I need to be here for this?
You may leave.
Alright, thanks for having me friend. I hope you have a good day. I hope you enjoyed posting your gifs, feel free to post as many of them as you want to.
Unlike your pedo ass, I am fighting to stop it
Fighting to remove it from Nostr you mean. Nothing you do here can prevent child porn from being produced and distributed elsewhere. The ability to stop a crime always depends on the choices of the criminal, and the choices of the victim. The fact is that the criminal never needed permission from us to commit their crime.
I'm also doing jack shit to actually protect Nostr though. Maybe I do deserve criticism for not trying to introduce a new NIP, or create a fork of a Nostr client in order to implement a better image hosting solution. What do you think?
