What do you mean by that?
I've never found the Bible and science to be incompatible. Personally, I find it evident that we live in an old, vast, and complex universe, as we've come to understand through scientific inquiry.
I also hold that God is the ground of all being, that He actively sustains all that is, and that He works in and through created things for the good of His creation.
I find both beliefs to be mutually compatible.
the bible taken literally does not always match science exactly, eg genesis, but becomes interesting when you see science does align in some way like floods, hominids etc
when you look at the bible as a human oral tradition then written it is remarkable it has the facts it does, given mans flaws
i like to imagine the view point of the people in the bible when trying to understand it, as what did people then know and understand about the world around them and how that might affect what they thought
science also offers tremendously deeper understanding about principles in the bible
It depends on what principles you're looking for in the Bible. Science doesn't have much to say about theology.
This is so hard for secularists to fathom, for whatever reason. It helps at least a little when they see the list of Catholic clergy who have made some of the most important scientific discoveries and authored the greatest theories. Georges Lemaître I think is one of the biggest for our day and age.
secularists often throw the baby out with the bath water, they usually have misunderstandings to say the least but so too do many religious types and are prone to some absurd quackery, i think both are actually after you look at covid and some atheists, sam harris for example
True. Quakery comes from all over. The error seems to be similar: the primary source of belief needs to say something about the other domain of thought.
Science can't say what's right or wrong, and religion doesn't say how electricity, gravity, and computers work.
i disagree as science does say what is right and wrong with facts tho you are obviously refering to morals which i am sure it can go into too
either is free to talk on the other
science is or can be a religion, tho obviously this point depends how we define either
What is moral, what is good, and what is beautiful are things that science can't judge. Science can observe that certain things result in preferred outcomes.
For example, by science one may observe the law of reciprocity results in better social cohesion, but science doesn't judge whether social cohesion is good per se. That would be the person's own judgment that comes from somewhere other than the scientific method. Science can go further to observe that people in society generally prefer cohesion, that the longevity of those people may be higher, that suffering may be lower, etc. if the law of reciprocity is followed by the members of the society, but it cannot judge whether those are good things. Good is a human element one imposes upon science, a presupposition when once engages in the scientific method.
i disagree, as science can talk to anything that may be measured or maybe better said known
good and morals are better defined as that which is survival and science can talk a lot on survival
the bible talks extensively on the topic of survival, infact moral lessons go hand in hand with it
i do agree that human intelligence generally limits its view point, but luckily it is not the only intelligence
science has something to say about everything
much theology would be in psychology, but i would say true theology and science are one and the same
science is the knowledge and study of existence and existence is or of god, theology is the study of god and so also existence
i see religions (particularly earlier) as forms of science, catholics have particularly intertwined the 2
i see truth as a path to god, i theorize reality has fundamental lies to it too
You're right, we Catholics view all fields of knowledge as working together in pursuit of truth.
The way I, and I think many others, commonly make the distinction is that science qua science usually refers to studies of nature the material world. Theology is the study of God specifically, and together with philosophy deals with spiritual realities more broadly. So there's typically a spiritual/material split between theology and the natural sciences.
I actually think we'd do well to quit pushing theology and natural science into opposite corners as if they're opponents in a boxing ring. We should let them work together more.
exactly
The Bible is inspired but it was also written by humans in a human way, which means many parts of it likely came out of oral tradition and such like you describe.
My personal suspicion (and not Christian doctrine by any means) is that the flood narrative in Genesis and the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah refer to ancient cataclysmic events that can be understood through a naturalistic lens. Other things, like the crossing of the Red Sea and the sun standing still for Joshua and the Israelites are more likely miracles as we would commonly recognize them.
Either way, God is at work throughout.
