I know, I'm probably being dumb but how is there a shadow on the moon when it and the sun are in the sky?.. https://video.nostr.build/fe07cb7781984794c1ac876d6dcb3613fb3869d2ab76e4e6c9708af4db1a485e.mp4

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Or only half of them?

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nostr:nprofile1qqsqqx9hacelkffcgd3ecchzjtlvwq9xn2fmprhrwnzmm2t3exee2eqpr9mhxue69uhhqun9d45h2mfwwpexjmtpdshxuet59uqsuamnwvaz7tmev9382tndv5hszxthwden5te0wfjkccte9eekummjwsh8xmmrd9skctcslkr8d can you explain this to me please?

That's not a good idea if you want the truth.

I'm always open minded.

Well, I try to be

Yeah but what if I just want some far out theory someone just made up while sitting in the bath?

I knew you'd make fun of me

Not making fun of you, just aware that there's a lot of theories out there, some more accurate than others. I like the more out there theories, hence my post. It was hard to tell from the video if I was seeing shadow or out of focus features on the moon tbh.

I'm an excellent cameraman!

You're defo my goto guy for slightly blurry pics of the moon!

Thanks mate

Yes, the sun illuminatis the moon.

That doesn't explain the shadow. The light from the sun is uninterrupted, surely it would illuminate the whole?

No it completely does. Look at the drawing again. The side of the moon facing the sun will be lit and the side facing away from the sun will be in shadow.

From your perspective on earth you can see part of the lit side and part of the shadow side.

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OK, that explains it somewhat but (roll with me, I am genuinely asking) the moon and the sun appear to be at 10 o'clock and 2 o'clock. That would have the earth in a position to the right of your diagram. Which would then give me a fuller, if not full face of the moon, no?

It would just depend on your position on the planet as to what position the sun and moon are in the sky.

If you teleport to a different country they would be in different positions, like maybe no sun (night) but still a moon in the sky

I get that but given the distances involved and size of the objects. Above (possibly below) someone has suggested the use of a candle etc... I don't dismiss doing that but the metrics wouldn't add up. The darkened room would need to be the size of the world for the candle to represent the sun.

Coming back to the position on the earth, unless the light bends, as I can see both objects clearly in the sky... Although your input is more convincing at the moment

I would recommend you start with the shadow on the moon. Start from there, and work back to the sun in the direction you think the sun should be, from the shadow that is cast. Then you will realise just how much further away the sun is from earth.

I understand that 93 million miles is a lot further than ¼ million

The distance doesn't really factor into it as you can do a thought experiment in your mind.

Imagine you are in a dark room with a torch on one end and you and a ball on the other end in different corners.

The torch is shining towards you and the ball.

If you face the ball directly you can see that the half facing the torch is lit and the other half is in shadow. You might be able to see the torch out of the corner of your eye.

If you swivel on the spot you can get to an angle where the torch and the ball are equal angles from the center of your point of view, that is 10 & 2.

You can keep swiveling until only the torch is visible and keep going until only the ball is visible.

None of this changes the shadow on the ball.

The sun is much, much further away.

Yes but it is above the earth with direct sight of the moon. So why is there only a half moon, what is casting the shadow?

Not a dumb question. Being inquisitive is part of being human.

It's no more dumb than a feind asking me to explain SHA-256.

We know what we know 👍🏻

Easy empirically verifiable.

DIY with a candle in one side of a large dark room and a tennis ball/Apple in your hand on the opposite side of the room.

That doesn't add up though. Well, not in my head. There's a diagram in this thread that shows what could be but not what I seem to be witnessing

Did you try? It's simple physics and geometry.

No, I haven't a candle or a darkened room but I understand what you are trying to convey. All I am saying is, that the room would represent our solar system. For the experiment to work the candle would have to be the largest thing in the room, the moon would be a pin head, the earth a pea and I can't stand on a pea

By the way, what is simple about physics?

The moon is a sphere. So this os not a shadow of something else. The sphere is being lit by the sun from the "left" in this picture (where the sun is). So you only see half of the sphere in the light.

Imagine a ball that is being lot by a torchlight and you're looking from the side.

Yes, I can get behind that, as Super Phat Arrow said. It just doesn't seem to fit. In my limited scope. Also, I can make out the underside of the moon, with the naked eye anyway. That suggests some light is being reflected towards my eye. Where is that coming from if the sphere explanation is correct?

That is the light that's reflected from the earth to the moon, it's called eartshine.

Very good observation and even better question!

I feel like this is getting somewhere, thanks. So, at night we are not facing the sun, where is the "earthshine" coming from (in that photo)? Are you saying from other parts of the earth not in shade? Would that mean, at the zenith of night, let's call it midnight, we would not be able to see any reflected "earthshine"?

If the moon was at this zenith position, it would have to be on the exact opposite side of the sun. But then we see the moon as a full moon (the dark side is invisible).

Cheers ears. I can understand that. For everyone else, I am open minded for a different opinion but Chris and others here have a good explanation

This video may help (not to scale):

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=J4IlzZKWyYQ

In terms of sunlight, half of the Moon is always in shadow. Just like half of the Earth is.

Yes, the side not facing the sun. Which lead to ask the question in the first place

The only time you wouldn't see a substantial portion of the Moon's dark side is when the Moon is positioned nearly opposite the Sun from your position. Thus the briefness of full Moons.

You are asking the right questions, my friend 😉

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I will look when I get a minute. I have a family member that is a flat earthed, so I'm versed in some of the theories. As I said I am open minded about most things. I've never been into space so who am I to say its a ball or a plate

Same reason the earth has a shadow.

Form a triangle with yourself, a flashlight and a ball. Turn the flashlight on and point it at the ball. What do you see?

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