What can we in Nostr learn from the recent surge in users for bluesky and mastodon?
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That your adoption rate/plan isn’t doing very well 🤷♂️✊🤝✌️
Cynical, perhaps, but that most people don’t want real freedom. They want to be told what to do—by someone they like.
Heads down. Keep building.
That we keep doing our own thing. I don't believe that being an alternative social media platform is the killer use case for nostr.
I believe that nostr will become the platform that everyone can exchange value with each other directly without fear of being shut down.
We just keep quietly integrating payments with authentic content and nostr will come into its own.
This. The other platforms are catering to people with specific views. Nostr doesn’t have a view. Long term it wins
other social media platforms are sh!t
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Just present yourself as a viable alternative. I’m on a host of platforms and BlueSky has been nice for me, but I like to keep my mind open for others like here and Hive.
Don't copy the others?
That people are still blind.
I asked similar question a few days ago nostr:nevent1qqsx9f08ttctpyurc0sxr6fgwlmhr4w0wepmv6jjh53s36rxa68jcecpp3mhxue69uhkyunz9e5k7qg5waehxw309aex2mrp0yhxgctdw4eju6t0qyxhwumn8ghj7mn0wvhxcmmvqy2hwumn8ghj7etyv4hzumn0wd68ytnvv9hxgpf45a0
And as nostr:nprofile1qqsr7acdvhf6we9fch94qwhpy0nza36e3tgrtkpku25ppuu80f69kfqpzamhxue69uhhyetvv9ujumn0wd68ytnzv9hxgtcpz4mhxue69uhhyetvv9ujuerpd46hxtnfduhszrnhwden5te0dehhxtnvdakz7x08grv said, we're the crypto bro app to outsiders.
That no one cares about censorship resistance.
Or maybe they’re just not aware
? You know it doesn't do anything if you do t click on that link right?
And if you use Tor, that link is also protected by Tor.
Thank you for clarifying. We should all complain to F-Droid in this case for saying it's "loaded on first start"
I'll assume you heard my other point too (which was originally a reply to Will about the same topic)
I gave up on FDroid last year. They are worse than the Play Store in terms of centralized control and app censorship.
Use Obtainium or nostr:nprofile1qqs83nn04fezvsu89p8xg7axjwye2u67errat3dx2um725fs7qnrqlgzqtdq0 if you truly care about freedom.
Those seem like shit options and F-Droid is definitely not worse than Play Store but ok nostr dev
Have you tried to publish apps there? You can also just download the APK directly if you want... FDroid is always weeks late anyway...
By the time I learn to code everyone will be using a decentralized nostr based git for this stuff
Git is already decentralized, but the GitHub stuff (issues/merges) is already on nostr: https://gitworkshop.dev/r/naddr1qvzqqqrhnypzq3svyhng9ld8sv44950j957j9vchdktj7cxumsep9mvvjthc2pjuqy88wumn8ghj7mn0wvhxcmmv9uqqsctdv46xs7tnwsuwyheg
There's no git with a decentralized backend that everyone uses for this stuff yet, but there are projects (like your link here) that will turn into that if humanity isn't just going extinct instead
Git is a distributed version control system. It is built specifically to NOT have a backend at all. (as opposed to SVN and others that had been popular before) All clones are equal.
It happened that people used GitHub services. Now people don't know Git and don't care about reading up on it.
Imo chances are high, that the same will happen with Nostr. If successful we will all use the same relay and will blame Nostr is not decentralized.
Continuing to have relays would not be successful. I'm specifically referring to the day when there is a decentralized backend over which you can use git. I don't know what's not getting across about that, my words seem pretty clear. This means p2p structure, not relays. And it doesn't mean "git is decentralized," it means a single git that is decentralized individually rather than simply relying on decentralized concepts.
Maybe we have a different understanding of "Git"? If so, sorry.
My understanding:
Git does not have and does not need a backend. In the user's repository you have "remote" connections from which you can pull/push. Git supports various transport protocols for this and as a user I can add as many as I want - all are equal (a github remote is no different to any other remote)
Now there are no answers on how to find those remotes and there is no public definition of which clone is the "best" or "newest" (but this is also subjective) And there is no way to communicate proposed changes, etc.
Did you look into stuff like https://radicle.xyz/ ?
I do not know much about Radicle but it fits with what I'm talking about.
My explanation here comes without ever using git, so bear with me.
When you use the command line to command git to interact with some remote storage, you're calling on software programmed to look for a centralized server you point it at, like Microsoft servers in github's case.
In my world, when you call on git in your command line to read or write data remotely, your "git" command calls on software programmed to connect to a p2p network like Radicle you just mentioned. Radicle seems like it might be a "decentralized backend" I'm talking about.
I'm a big fan of Obtainium. Plug in all your git repos and you'll get updates the second the devs post a new release. Plus, the apps don't have all the BS Play Store compliance fluff.
"That no one cares about censorship resistance."
Or that there are other things they value more right now. Seems most people prefer a space where they might get banned, to a place where they have to wade through a cesspit of spam and harassment.
BS is solving the moderation problems the same way as any centralised platform, with centralised moderation. The only reason to leave the birdsite for BS is if you prefer your censors with the opposite set of biases. Just like everyone who left Titter for Myths.social and returned after it became "X".
The fediverse solves the problem by letting people pick their mods without changing networks. Future features could make this more effective, like nomadic identity;
https://wedistribute.org/2024/03/activitypub-nomadic-identity/
... and automated consensus moderation;
That marketing departments work in the short term? Doesn’t matter long term IMO, these VC expenses eventually need to be paid back and it always results in the same shit that made them leave X or whatever in the first place. Keep on building.
onboarding.
Get VC money and go to Silicon Valley events to drink wine and get cozy with the people there as you get and give favors?
People want to go where everyone else is going. They don’t want to be different.
I used to want to always be where the most people would be, because I have a lot of interests, but twitter got exhausting.
I get almost zero interaction on Twitter. Same with Bluesky, Facebook, Instagram.
I get on here and you degens can’t shut up 🤷♀️ 🤣
Oh, the opposite for me. I'd collected over 5k over there (going back to 2017 or so) but I was using it since 2007 when it started and I actually have real friends there, but they're caught up in the doom and gloom. It's entertaining to them. I'd say most are Anarcho-liberty folks, with a mix of shitposters, homesteaders, and regular folks. Lots of them got caught up in the monetization too. I'm still trying to bring some over here just because I think they'd fit in and enjoy it more, but I can only do so much.
I’m seeing a lot of the people just leaving socials altogether and a couple who went to BlueSky. Apparently Facebook and Twitter are horrible and toxic.
Nothing. It's all hype. What we need to build are bridges to allow people to connect their accounts on Bluesky to their Nostr npub accounts, and then just let the traffic flow. All roads will eventually lead to Nostr.
That people who can't intelligently and respectfully disagree always flee.
The deep state is scared of nostr adoption obviously
Sadly name recognition does matter for top of the funnel
That network effect m, some marketing, and time, matter I guess
"What can we in Nostr learn from the recent surge in users for bluesky and mastodon?"
1) People go where they think they'll find their friends.
2) We need to keep working to unify all the ethical social web projects, both the networked ones and the monoliths. I believe Minds are now federating over Matrix (for their chat) and ActivityPub (for posts). Are they publishing to Nostr too? If not, what's the quickest and easiest way for them to start doing that?
3) People are more likely to use things they've heard of. We need to find grassroots ways to promote decentralised projects that don't depend on the tech press or FB ads.
4) People have drunk the kool-aid and they think BS is decentralised. It isn't, it's yet another VC-funded platforms and will enshittify accordingly;
https://pluralistic.net/2024/11/02/ulysses-pact/#tie-yourself-to-a-federated-mast