Anyone from Iran here?
Writing an article on how the Global South is turning the curse of sanctions into the Blessing of a Unstoppable Free Market for the World.
Drop a comment tell us your story🙏🏼
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(her parents immigrated to US if I remember correctly)
idk according to my family in the poorer areas of iran, sanctions have severely fucked them over
Yes sir it is bad out there. Sanctions have caused so much damage and pain. And yet there is the glimmer of hope and a functioning economy already on bitcoin. Now it needs to get it on Bitcoin as in the ecosystem and unstoppable markets. If they scale this and bring the “black market” into the light then radical transformation can happen in less than a decade. It has happened before and education has been the pace setter.
Long way to go but we have begun. May I speak to those you know in such situations ?
Lebanon 🇱🇧 and Zim 🇿🇼join in and tell us your story too please
🇨🇲 — Lessons learned from the mid-nineties collapse of the CFA Franc, and IMF-imposed austerity measures:
When the money dies, the people who tend to be most affected are not necessarily the materially poorest members of society, but more likely those whose lives are built on weak moral and spiritual foundations.
that sounds interesting, can you explain some more detail? maybe an example?🙏
The currency losing 50% of its value, combined with 70% pay cuts, wiped out the middle class overnight. We're talking about doctors, engineers, teachers - all of them government employees - who can no longer afford a second car, their monthly rent, three meals a day, school fees, etc.
What they will do to survive in such desperate situations, I leave it to your imagination...😔
I want to hear those stories! Vital
Overnight, doctors on the government payroll suddenly found themselves making ~half the salary of an illiterate army soldier! (The army was exempt, and their salaries remained untouched.)
The consequences on society: massive unemployment, exodus (first, the former middle-class...), promiscuity, alcoholism, nihilism, crime, deaths, all sorts of fraud and corruption. Many family structures have been irreparably destroyed. It was wild and chaotic!
The silver lining: people quickly realised that formal education was not for everyone and started exploring alternative paths, such as football, music, entrepreneurship etc. The Internet came and created new opportunities, and new hopes. I wish bitcoin could follow in its footsteps...
Where ever you hear "sanctions" and "blessing" in one sentence just say fuck you and block it.
Dictators all around the world really love that analysis, sanctions are real blessing for dictators, they can make secrete deals and behinde the door negotiations.
An elite we call "sanction traders" rise from this theory.
They eploit this vague situation, make international deals and take a huge cut from all the sides involved.
Lack of transparency is friends with totalitarians and dictators. They thrive in it. They abuse their people on account of sanctions, and get richer and stronger.
Yes this is corruption that grows around these walls of financial barriers. Capital controls function the same way and tax the people further while the elite benefit thru round tripping, a form of arbitrage. The way bitcoin has blessed the people is by giving them their own form of arbitrage via p2p otc
Bitcoin also has blessed dictators,
All the dictatorship military have the largest bitcoin farms while bitcoin mining is banned and illegal for citizens.
Totalitarian regimes in Iran, China, North Korea, etc have amassed a considerable stack of bitcoin.
which luckily still progresses us further into the Bitcoin standard. and the further this progresses, the less violence will be profitable
I admire your view, but unfortunately I think that we're just changing who's going to collect the interest from our debt, USA goes away and china steps in
It would be great if the global south ransacked the power centers, kicked out the global bankers, and started their own dominions and republics before they totally overrun the west, and interject their own forms of culture, etc. It won't work out unless you figure it out on your own. So BE YOUR OWN.
You know this is highly unlikely to happen.
Most of South America is a political mess, India has 180 languages, and Africa hasn’t been able to find their way out of a paper bag since humans first showed up.
I didn’t realize there were racist clowns on here but I am happy to educate you more about where Africa used to be.
Nothing I said was racist.
A large part of Africa is in the south.
You’re projecting your racism.
Explain what you mean by “africa not finding its way out of a paper bag since humans showed up”
Don’t see how else to take this
Yeah?
Where’s the racism in my comments? Particularly considering only 3/54 countries are in the top 50 of global GDP and the first country doesn’t even show up until #30.
Worse, many of the 51 remaining countries are in the bottom 100.
Not quite the bastion of success there eh?
People really need to stop using the expression ‘The Global South’. It sounds elitist af and makes no sense when it’s used to refer to countries that are above the equator like Iran.
Tehran is roughly the same latitude as Norfolk Virginia. Source: I own atleast one map
Plus the south pole is really the magnetic north... soooo... we are all living a lie
Lol.
Great point.
Malcom X and many African revolutionaries have used it as the main banner for over 70yrs.
Why not suggest better
Why not do better?
Global south for countries that aren’t southern at all?
More hilarious than anything.
I would imagine they used the expression in reference to countries that were actually in the global south. When people nowadays start using the expression inaccurately then that’s when it comes across as elitist or ignorant imo. Not to get in the weeds, just giving my 2 sats.
Happy to provide suggestions if you clarify what the common denominator is, which clearly is not latitude.
Maybe you are referring to emerging markets or economies?
I guess they’re south of Europe?
Can’t speak to other countries cause I haven’t really been there but what do you think is the issue with India and its ~30 languages(and 1000+ dialects). Don’t get me wrong, India has 100s of issues ranging from poverty, overpopulation, education to hate-filled politics, but language, food, festivals and, let’s call it ‘chaos’, IMHO, form its beauty. I’ve lived there and it wouldn’t be half as energetic if it was just one langauge across the country.
It would be interesting to hear your perception about it.
We’re solely talking about a global rise to power.
In the context of becoming a global super power the issue is unity. Very difficult to unite so many disparate people that don’t all speak the same or similar language and have similar cultures.
India has a ton going for it, but that will be a massive challenge for them.
Oh sure, I agree with the first sentence of your original reply into the conversation (“you know it’s unlikely to happen…”)
And the language uniting part, you know what, it has been a bone of contention with the current ruling party feeding this exact narrative(one nation, one language) and trying to force the different parts to use one language. And no, it’s not English that’s being forced (which may have still made sense as English is more common throughout the country than any one regional language - and globally acceptable)
It’s not feasible to begin with (and I can understand if someone who’s not lived or been there to feel how strange it must be. It is. But it’s not inefficient, it’s been like that for 1000s of years and has worked well). No one wants to change their language and all efforts to try doing that have cause more harm than good.
Sorry for the wall of text, I’m kind of a language-fan and believe that language is an integral part of one’s identity and language imposition is one big part of domination and giving a slow death to a culture. It has sadly happened several times in course of history by invaders.
Chao ca co ladies!
For sure.
Do all Indians have a sense of pride for “India,” or do many of the tribes not care?
I really don’t know if all have pride. I guess everyone loves their country. There are things to be happy about and then there are things to be concerned of.
Let’s try again.
Do they consider themselves “Indian” or something else.
Until very recently most Americans would consider themselves proud of their country. Today we need a national divorce.
Are the areas likely to stay India over the next few decades, or will the country shatter into 30+ countries? Or something in the middle?
Oh, in that sense, definitely Indian. In fact, the other two countries, Pakistan and Bangladesh were part of India until they were partitioned during the Indian independence (1947).
There have been a few murmurs of separation among 1-2 states but nothing really big. As for the future, who knows. Of our elaborate plans…of everything that stands
Important question raised here imo, and I can relate.
My country of origin has hundreds of tribes, languages, and different cultures. From afar, we appear as a country with a flag, a national anthem etc, but from within, tribal identity is undeniably very strong.
Two provinces have started a secession war 3-5 years ago.
Africa's artificial borders have always been a source of instability, and it's a real and urgent problem every where you look.
Is it just the artificial borders, or would it happen either way? Meaning tribal battles would happen anyway..?
The answer is quite obvious. Wherever there is life (vegetal, animal, or human) there is competition for the scarce resources of the environment.
The competition will usually take the form of a conflict. This is true across time and space.
The point I was trying to make is that government intervention will always make things worse. In this specific case, through the creation of artificial borders, and the forced association of different tribal groups.
I'll add that I also believe that Bitcoin is hope because it can play a very important role in mitigating all the mess created by past, present and future governments.
That wasn’t the question.
Tbh I’m lost now, what is even your question?
Is it, would there be agitations / battles amongst groups of people. If so, imo, yes, there will be factions - countries, states, provinces/districts/counties/neighbourhoods.
What is even a nation? An area bounded by government control.
I don’t know what I’m answering here.
Wow you said it so well brother 🙏🏼
We need to see the rise of p2p republics. Democracy is built to fail the people but a republic is respect bound to the rule of elders. This is the way. CivKit is human will represented thru the FLOW of value. Money moving naturally is the vast majority of governance. Lets get this right and see what real growth looks like. Straight up.
I'm curious if the Iranian Bitcoiners from Twitter moved here
We have censorship resistant money and social media
All that's missing is censorship resistant on ramps
Really looking forward to CivKit and TBD