Anyone donating their blood for the good cause? What the process and where to sign up? Want to start doing this maybe will help to save someone’s life.

Media => Social Media => Social Credit

Fair enough.

But usually unreliability isn‘t what people expect from their social media experience.

Sorry. I didn't mean to say that 4 times.

I think it's all voluntarily controlled by the user.

Let's say theres 2 "profile builders" competing with each other.

I give them my the allowance to build my nostr profile and serve me ads.

1 is giving me the profile of a 16 year old female - highschool and interested in make-up.

Other is giving me the profile of a ~35 year old male - IT-nerd - tech-enthuisiast and entrepeneur.

(Obviously these are far apart, but that's to make the point).

I block all the advertisements, except for the advertisements I'm willing to see from one of the 2 profile builders. (I can block all the advertisements, because I'm using relays and a client which enable me to block all the advertisements).

When I want to see relevant advertisements (because I also want to get paid to consume content on #nostr) I decide only to see advertisements coming from a specific profile builder I chose.

Which do you think I'm going to choose?

Currently I hardly see ANY advertisements on #nostr, but I might be willing to see advertisements when I'M getting paid to see those ads.

interesting:) what do you mean by "profile builders"? do you mean service providers, who sort through nostr profiles to find relevant target audience profiles for the advertiser?

nostr:npub15e33vf8dx0k0ea22w4qzayc7r8xg07y7h3x7c39glxu8vf96rghs65uz8m nostr:npub19m9s8up7dqwc47ux4z842j74r7prm4wdgdt4ax7ndcs3fahjkv2qgk4hu6

I gave it a good thought. And it's extencive.

Currently with the traditional social media the platform is the gatekeeper for the #Ads. #Advertisers pay the platform to display ads and 'trust' that they display the ads to it's users with a specific profile. - Platforms ( X / Facebook / Insta / YouTube ) are in control. - User is the product.

Moneyflow goes like this:

Advertiser ----> Platform

On nostr this shifts completely because the user is in control. The user decides which relays they connect to and which client they use. There are 3 (or more) parties involved who decide which ads the user gets to see.

1) The user himself

2) The Relay the user connects to (Relays will compete with each other in the future)

3) The client the user uses to connect to the relays. (Clients will compete with each other)

4) Maybe profilebuilders (Profile builders will compete with each other in the future)

And the advertiser? They should pay all those parties in a good proportion. (Zaps & SATs)

So #nostr will enable us to be paid to see ads from advertisers.

And relays serving those ads and clients displaying those ads also should benefit from this.

This incentives Advertisers to have a good profile of the user they want to target the ad and to add value to the life of the user seeing the ad, or else the user blocks the advertiser.

There will be "advertiser profile builders" in the future competing as well and getting a part of the money the advertiser pays as well.

Money flow goes like this:

Advertiser ---> User

Advertiser ---> Relay

Advertiser ---> Client

Advertiser ---> Profile Builder

But the main part:

User is in full-control of these though the client he uses and the relays he's connecting to and the profile builder he's using. So advertisements wil be better than on traditional social media and you get paid to see them.

Just my 21 sats on this topic.

I’m surprised by the Primal developments, and the responses on both sides. Frankly, would rather not participate in the drama at all for the sake of not keeping it going, but feels wrong to be quiet too. So.. a few thoughts…

First things first, I don’t get why ralf is blocked from trending. Or Onyx.🤷‍♂️I guess it doesn’t even matter what the reasons are, if it can be someone as decent as ralf, then it can be anyone. If it’s manual, then someone decides, not an algorithm. I think a better solution would be to have algorithms do the work, and users deciding which if any algo they wish to use.

My guess is that this is just a lot of work and perhaps Primal team has not had the time to create such powerful filtering systems yet. Maybe the decision to do it manually is a quick fix that “works” in their view. I could understand that. But, ultimately I think it should be up to the user.

Also, I don’t think there’s anything wrong with preventing certain npubs from trending - as long as it is done in a fair and algorithmic way, not a manual action.

I think the way Semisol has approached the entire thing has not been the most appropriate way of doing it. There’s a reason white hat hacking exists - where people are courteous and professional about their exploits. The initial exploits could have been handled better. We’re all in this together so why stir up drama?

The replies that say “start your own …. X” or “write your own client” don’t seem right to me. Imagine a situation where a client becomes dominant and super popular and you yourself are blocked from trending for whatever arbitrary reason with some manual action. We have X all over again then. Exception is when you break the app’s terms for posting something illegal perhaps. Most people are not going to have the technical skills to clone Primal or any other client. They will just have to leave and use another that may be less useful to them. I guess this is a good feature of nostr in a way, but feels wrong to just tell people to use something else. I prefer we have sympathy for users and empower them instead of telling them to buzz off.

Something being public and in the repo doesn’t make it not hidden imo. Just goes back to the previous point that people don’t know how to check those things and shouldn’t really be expected to. Let’s say a new client spins up and becomes super popular, am I supposed to just check their repo daily to see if I’m added to some punitive list? Now, if the client makes some sort of an announcement saying they are implementing a filtering policy that will impact npubs that do X Y Z bad thing, then it makes sense. They are letting people know they won’t tolerate things that are against their policy and they are in their full rights to do as they please.

Anyway, that is all. I guess the TLDR; is let’s put users in control and be transparent about what we do. We don’t have to do things this way and I know many won’t care, but it’s nice to have some additional transparency unlike the shadowy nature of some of the other social networks.

Video Game Industry: $221 Billion

Movie Industry: $77 Billion

Music Industry: $26.2 Billion

“You could combine the revenue of the movie industry and the music industry, double it, and you'd still be shy of the gaming industry”

#gamestr

Filtering spam is a useful service. Many Nostr threads are already overrun by shitcoin airdrop scams for example. IMO, this problem gets worse as Nostr grows and simple mute lists are not enough because spammers can easily create new accounts for each new spam message. Primal's current capabilities in dealing with this are far from perfect. We may miss some spam, we may get false positives. Some users might disagree with us on the definition of spam. That's why we are building the tools to give more control and the final word to the user.

I am serious when I say that competent content filtering will be a key feature that Nostr clients will compete in. There will be clients that don't do any filtering whatsoever (or make filtering an opt in instead of opt out), and that will attract users who want that. We don't claim to have the final answer to any of this. We are simply working on providing the best service we can and doing so in a transparent manner (our entire stack is FOSS). We really hope that others will stand up services with different rules so that we can all learn from each other and adjust.

imo this is inevitable. and incredibly important for the circular economy.

but devs are mostly just devs, not familiar enough with entrepreneurship in other industries.

but that's just a matter of time AND enough entrepreneurs like us asking for it via bounties.

lmk when you find more entrepreneurs interested in that, maybe we can set up a bounty together:)

You know, I'd really like to advertise on Nostr. I'd love to stream some sats per click and get ads displayed in high traffic locations on the platform.

Not to mention, such a thing would also help with discovery and even community building.

Maybe I'm stupid or something, but I'm thinking this looks a little bit more luxurious than the White House. I don't find the "old" aesthetic very pleasing.

It's somewhere in between 0 and 134K. The way to find out is to move to #nostr and see how many follow

See a good note, boost a good note.

We have no algorithms here to do this for us. It's up to us to be the algorithms for not only ourselves, but for others too.