No one is saying the contrary. How does tariffs fix this though?
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Forces them/you to stop wasting money on fake scams.
Ha! Just said that lol
Energy products have reduced tariffs compared to all other goods and services.
So how does tariffs fix green energy?
It destroys green movements. Sure some Canucks will die. Lessons will be learned. The hard way.
All energy products have reduced tariffs. No valid answer to the question yet
Yeah they do but solar and win cannot fuel a society. Only oil and nuclear can
Reducing tariffs are not indicative of something being good & working.
They are imposed.
I asked one simple question. Lots of pussy footing around it. Zeta answered though
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I asked how does tariffs fix green energy. At first you said it did. Then a whole bunch of unrelated stuff. But zeta answered
Nothing fixes green energy except common sense.
You’re speaking as if I’m on the side of green energy or something. Relax
This is why I think India (believe or not) has the best diplomacy of all countries in this world. They are masters at diplomacy
Masters at shitting in streets as well.
Nobody is perfect 😂
But seriously, look at their geopolitical history. It’s masterful
Very narcissistic society. Caste system.
They treat their own worse than any invaders could treat them.
I’m ok with caste system tbh
One of my good friends is Indian. Hes told me so much good stuff.
Side note: he’s in a successful arranged marriage. Met his wife the day he married her. His parents set it up. There are arranged marriage apps in India to connect families. They had to bring jewels & sweets when they met as he married up.
I try to listen without laughing. But he’s one of the smartest guys I’ve ever met.
I think our society needs arranged marriages. OF hoes defunded 😂
If they do arranged marriages, some would have to marry the OFs 😬
If they have shitty parents.
The arranged thing is interesting. It can work. And well.
Families choose & divorce is very frowned upon. Unless the Indian is rapey or smelly which many are so there’s that.
I was referring to Zeta’s point. If they do arranged marriage in the US. Lots of OF girls will have to marry
Family choose carefully 😂
Funny enough, I see this being a norm in bitcoin families. Our kids will marry each other to keep the wealth within each other
The Jews perfected this. 🧐🤔🤔🤔😳
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Welcome to Bitcoin patriarchies lol
See, we fixed it. Green energy is shit. Tariffs work.
green energy saves me a lot each month
You’re part of the problem.
Against my better judgement ima wade in here😖
Assuming we can take the statements of all parties/sovereigns involved at face value (prolly the fatal flaw in this/my debate), I’ll use Triffin’s delimma as a starting point and assume trump’s real motivation is rebuilding America’s manufacturing base.
Imo: The NAFTA agreement (GHW Bush’s and world globalist’s baby but ushered in primarily during the Clinton administration…ever wonder why they were so chummy?) was the final nail in the coffin of American manufacturing. It was a short sided political/corporate way to keep our domestic prices low (export our inflation to countries with cheaper labor…see Alex Gladstein’s stuff).
Tariffs are an effective way to incentivize an increase in domestic manufacturing but also are easily used to weaponize the consumption of a large economy (unless there is a significant increase in domestic productivity weaponized tariffs are short sided imo).
Trump’s tariffs in theory can improve the balance of our (the US’s) consumption vs production. The brics+ nations (mostly producers with net trade surplus) are betting that we can’t significantly improve the balance of our consumption and production. If the brics nations are correct there will be a very “hard landing” for our economy. Either way our (the US’s standard of highly financialized living will have to decrease)….Ima hedge my bets with some hard assets🤔
With re to wind and solar, it seems they have so far been very low yield moonshot fiat plans (requiring significant fiat/gov subsidies). Previous new technologies (ie railroads, Telecommunications, automobile, fossil fuel and aeronautical industries) were all able to bootstrap themselves mostly through the money of private entrepreneurs (why? they were great ideas).
In my opinion renewable energy that is worthwhile should be able to do the same and not be heavily subsidized with inefficient fiat/govt subsidies and heavily propagandized. These misaligned incentives for zombie technologies just prolongs finding the alternative technologies that work.
IMO the only connection between green energy and tariffs is that the countries that have subsidized green energy (ie Paris climate accord) are the most insolvent countries with the largest trade deficits and are the most in need of “onshoring” their manufacturing 🤷🏽♂️
But I an idgit from the ⭕️ and wtf do I know.
Also I didn’t proof read this tldr MF so
TLDR
Net net: Stacey hates fags & Canucks.
And kills communism 👌
The link between green energy and tariffs is still nowhere to be found. But yes keep at it. Maybe if you repeat it enough it will be real 😂
Best non retarded debate by retards o the day…so far🫡🌅
I find it intriguing when u boys wander outta the ⭕️… the council seems to approve tho 😳🤦🏽♂️
There are some very retarded takes in there as well. Easy to find 🤭
Wait…is that a haymaker from the corner o the 🐸?👀👀👀 
I got his Canada all riled up today. 🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸
The Canucks are all running around pulling American ketchup & beer off shelves trying to win a tariff war 😂😂😂
It doesn’t. This is a lesson that no country should rely heavily on another country…
But look at it this way, tariffs will crumble the socialist government thus bringing freedom back to its people
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Yup. 👍
It does fix it. WITH MUCH NEEDED PAIN. PAIN IS NEEDED. especially in Canada. 🇨🇦
Trump wants to destroy the George Soros and WEF regimes in Canada, Mexico and Guatemala. This is a bigger play
Ok so we agree it doesnt fix the green energy. Finally an honest answer to the question. Thanks
It does because solar and wind cannot compete in energy abundance and efficiency such as gas, oil and nuclear
OK let me get this straight:
Governments collect taxes and then spend massive amounts of our money misallocating capital towards green energy for decades...
Now governments are going to impose MORE taxes which will be so detrimental that they will be forced to try and transition back to the old energy system?
Isn't this just complete retardation and aren't we all just being robbed and fucked?
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This guy gets it. Finally someone makes some sense.
You kept saying tariffs would kill green energy. Now it makes sense. You’re funny brother 😂
In sales we call it a “forcing function.”
Constraints that compel action, encourage behaviors & ensure certain outcomes.
They work. Almost always.
All I heard was kept evading the question because you know that tariffs are retarded
The tariffs are not retarded. They are there to force an outcome. Weaker countries don’t like them but that’s the way of the world.
US has more power than any other country. The US dollar is reserve currency. Strong.
Tariffs will force negotiations or you will pay. Heavily. Until you concede & then make the changes. In time all will.
A bitcoiner who’s also in favour of massive government intervention. Beautiful 😂
Nope. I’m just explaining what’s happening.
I’m out of the game. I watch from the sidelines. It’s fun though. 🍿🍿🍿🍿🍿🍿🍿🍿🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸💯🥄🥄🥄🏆🥄🥄🥄
I want to be sympathetic to this perspective but our economies and lives being a chess game to global mafia groups is still shit, no matter how well they might be playing the game.
Always has been. Always will be.
If you’re not at one full Bitcoin yet I feel for you. If you are, why do you even give a flying fuck.
We live in the only time in history where there is a solutions STARING you in the fucking face. Stop complaining. Start stacking.
Good point. I'm being impatient.
This whole situation is like watching a fire, where everyone caught in the building could push a button and save themselves, but nobody understands that so they're just running around screaming while the building collapses.
It makes me sick. 20 more years of this is unacceptable.
I’m selling you fire insurance on the burning house.
I have the fire insurance, I'm good.
My problem is that I don't want the house to burn down, but that this point it is probably necessary. Both for cyclical reasons (we need a sacrifice) and for practical reasons (the average person is completely lost).
I need to decide between relaxing and enjoying the show or going on nostr:nprofile1qqstm84k2lp9knmvmf5gw88zvfvar7duvfpqfplryfystdn55ug2gksprfmhxue69uhhyetvv9ujumn0wd68yurvv438xtnrdaksz9thwden5te0wahhgtnwdaehgu3wwpshyareqyg8wumn8ghj7mn0wd68ytnhd9hx2j8uly5 level rants and investing more social capital in this.
Who cares really. Btc is the ultimate insurance
I care. Bitcoin is the ultimate insurance but Bitcoin is also just an idea. It's people who actually act upon it and change the world.
Bitcoin will win because it's an idea that capitalizes off of our own greedy, self-interested nature, but I'm starting to think that 90% of people are so conditioned by statism that they can't even tell what's in their own best interest.
I don’t care at all around the 90%. Not one tiny bit.
Focus on the 1% that are making the changes already. The other 9% will catch up but the 90% can all go to hell.
The 90% is hopeless anyways
The 90% will drag us all to hell if we let them.
I'm not talking about them because I'm worried about them, I'm talking about them because I'm worried about what damage they can do to us.
If you take things on face value, we live under rule of the majority. The minds of the majority are easily captured which makes this less true in practice, but we aren't the ones controlling minds yet either.
If Bitcoin goes to 10M in the next decade, there will be some parallels between us and another group which was highly disliked throughout history. Just saying.
Although its literally americans that pay them
We don’t care. We are rich as fuck here.
Not all americans are rich. But that’s another story.
Once those Canuck tariffs start rolling in, all bets are off.
WE GOIN TO SIZZLER.
In the end, it’s the consumer that has to pay more. Government will keep the 25% and fund whatever war effort with it
Always yes.
But as long as it kills the green movement in the process it’s a huge win. Long term.
Isn’t the green movement killing itself already. Lots of damaged windmill farms in Europe. Power grids overwhelmed by demand in the winter.
I can see how it’ll accelerate things in North America. But how about rest of the world. Particularly Europe?
As long as a windmill is standing & not demolished to the ground, it’s still alive. Murder it dead. Nothing left alive.
And Europe is gone. May never be the same. They fucked themselves royally (pun intended).
Why stops at negotiation when by your logic you are the one who set rules, because you are nice to not overly bully? Go ahead and take the world then, the world deserves a living god.
Complete retardation yes. Tariffs make no sense.
How do we get unfucked, I'm not a big fan
Why is it so hard to find people who
- Aren't communists
- Aren't complete morons
- Aren't spineless
- Are actually able to affect the world around them
It feels like I'm taking crazy pills
Isn’t one of your leaders a head towel wearing communist?
Start there.
Which one, I'm listening
Lol. I'm American so nostr:nprofile1qqsp3yzapfwkyw4cr2vt4xx9s27474lj2pkxhqyfqh79n826pv3fkzqpz3mhxue69uhhyetvv9ujuerpd46hxtnfduq3qamnwvaz7tmwdaehgu3wd3skueqpvemhxue69uhkv6tvw3jhytnwdaehgu3wwa5kuef0dec82c33wfaxwwfk0f4xzan8v968x7p4vd5ryankw3cngct5v96xc7f4wfmxgam3va48qvr4w3u8wdp40fjh5mnk09ckvert0pmx20mzwfhkzerrv9ehg0t5wf6k247samd will have to work on that one.
FORCING FUNCTION
Uncomfortable for the other side. Not so much for the forcing side. By design
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