When you're with someone long enough that calling them girlfriend feels immature and partner feels emotionally sterile...

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That's called true love😅🤣

Then you propose marriage.

I did that once before. I won't be breaking my 5 year minimum rule, after that mistake 😆

Well, then make it a long engagement.

"Partner" sounds like you've joined forces, to open a liquor store or an attorneys' office. And "girlfriend" just means "flavor of the week" nowadays, really.

At least give her a respectable reserved seat, or something.

nostr:npub12gu8c6uee3p243gez6cgk76362admlqe72aq3kp2fppjsjwmm7eqj9fle6 mentioned this a while ago, very resonant with me.

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LOL Second woman is getting treated worse, but she's too low-value to inspire better.

His love simply falls short.

Don't expect a successful black woman to fall for rhetoric meant to denigrate the value of marriage.

We're slowly managing to crawl out of that particular hell.

> We're slowly managing to crawl out of many particular hells.

Yep.

Not going to speak for him about his situation, but I'll try and ascribe it to mine with good intentions.

Without the use of 'low-value', could it be that my love falls short? Can't make an argument beyond a subjective one there, but question if it has something to do with not growing up embedded in a community with strong values. Only recently learning and understand their structures and purposes. Some wistfulness to have grown up in that environment and cultivating those values, but I do think I've passed over that window of time where it could have made a bigger impact on me.

Love can fall short due to ignorance or lack of habit, yes, since love is a behavior, not primarily a feeling.

I think it's something that can be learned, tho. With effort and grace, and positive role models.

Me, too. You probabaly handled it better than I did, though.

The divorce was amicable and without conflict.

Though at no part in the process, or anyone around us aware, that we needed a lawyer to write up and notarize a separation agreement for the future so that companies would consider us for mortgage agreements 😑 That was fun to find out.

How did yours go?

You're so lucky😅. It always feels really strange saying that to someone when talking about getting a divorce lol.

My divorce (and first marriage) was a nightmare, but it didn't take that long to settle everything since both her and I knew that it would never work out between us. I did let her keep our apartment, though, as I was just desperate to get away from her. Then I moved in with my parents for a few months and binge drank until it was finalized, after which I joined the Army.

She's right lol

Partner is not a word to be used by straight couples

I want to avoid both, but there is no good alternative that comes to mind.

There's this thing you can do where you become one flesh in the eyes of God and you call her your wife. 10/10 would recommend.