Nostr Web Client

I'd like to continue working on Iris & Nostr, but would need funding soon. Any grants available?

Iris is MIT licensed and will always remain free and open source. It's available for web, Android, iOS and desktop. Works just fine on the Tor Browser.

Iris design goals have been speed, reliability and ease of use. I want to work on these further. I want to add public and private custom feeds, including user lists, content filters and different ranking algorithms. We also need group chats and better DM privacy.

I want to add more p2p capability to clients. Syncing of events over WebRTC, local area network or even bluetooth. Iris already supports Webtorrent, but the interface needs improvement. I think we should actually have nostr:file urls for binary files and transmit them over relays or direct p2p.

I'll try to get Iris subscriptions done soon, but it will probably be some time until it's sustainable income.

There's so much cool stuff to be done that I don't want to go back to fiat mining 😄

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Bayani Mills 2y ago

Perhaps a voluntary donation goal indicated by a progress bar, where users can zap, or send on-chain, to support decelopment.

7fqx 2y ago

A mini #zapathon ☝️☝️☝️☝️☝️☝️☝️ appears

nobody 2y ago

Show this man some love and pass his message along so he finds the right people.

#[0]

Kevin Kane 2y ago

Throw up a patreon or an onlyfans.

Roberto 2y ago

Wasnt able to zap you more that 1K sats but sent you a transaction to your profile. Keep building.

BilligsterUser 2y ago

#[0]

John Dee 2y ago

Really glad to see Iris development continuing. We need a diversity of nostr clients to keep the ecosystem healthy.

#[1]

elsat 2y ago

Opensats #[3] #[4] #[5] #[6]

UNCLE ROCKSTAR 2y ago

This should be solved soon! 🙏

elsat 2y ago

🚀

Carman 2y ago

Apply to open sats

ODELL 2y ago

we plan to start providing nostr grants through opensats shortly

apply here: https://opensats.org/apply

jeff 2y ago

Well there is no one more deserving than Martti

jeff 2y ago

And that’s pre nostr

Change this if you want 2y ago

This is the way 🫡

mcshane 2y ago

legend

UNCLE ROCKSTAR 2y ago

🙌🎉

Camilo 2y ago

#[6]

6484df04... 2y ago

We are at warp factor 7 outside the system. Tremendous time to be alive.

aaron 2y ago

So you’re saying I can donate to Nostr development in a tax deductible way? I’m going to need to buy some darker sunglasses if the future is getting that bright

Change this if you want 2y ago

Definitely deserve ⚡️

nostr.build 2y ago

Although an account system may not pay a salary, it will likely cover costs+. You could also charge for premium uploads (size, quality, acct. access), glad to work with you on anything.

n 2y ago

#[1]

Derek Ross 2y ago

Zap the devs. Keep dirty VC funding away from Nostr for as long as possible.

#[0]

UNCLE ROCKSTAR 2y ago

Specific VCs are dirty... funding itself is neutral. We had some amazing VCs at #nostrica and I'm very hopeful that some of them will manage to provide funding... but more help devs build up sustainable venture around their Nostr code contributions.

RAM02 2y ago

👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽

Matt 2y ago

I met some of these VCs at nostrica.

Do you think there is a misalignment of incentives between VCs (person or funding) and an open permission-less ecosystem?

VCs want to capture and dominate market as it is the best way to make profits, which is a centralization risk.

On the other hand, Nostr yearns to have community-driven governance with a much lower time preference than typical VC cycles.

I’m not saying VCs are dirty. The ones I met were really awesome people. I’m saying there may be forces out of their control that they have to succumb to that puts the openness of Nostr at risk.

Curious to hear your thoughts on this.

Sherry 2y ago

VC is profit driven, though some of them mentioned to me that they have quota only for non profitable invest, let’s say, for reputation. If I am a VC I don’t see any business model via a client because zap for developer will always be more efficient to make a better product so finally VC backup client won’t win and zap for developer client will have better experience. But other things based on nostr may worth to invest like private relay infrastructure.

UNCLE ROCKSTAR 2y ago

Yeah, that's also a big consideration with Nostr... it's not a protocol that's easy to monetize (different from Bitcoin in that regard).

That said, most of VCs that are already in Nostr are very ideological... I know that some of them are already funding developers simply to help sustain contributions; which is amazing.

Matt 2y ago

I can think of one way a VC can capture the client market:

Design a client that provides additional closed API that exists outside of the Nostr protocol (better ML, UX, privacy, or whatever) and users will flock to that platform. Because of the closed features this erodes the open nostr protocol.

#[7] warns us of this and similar risks in his excellent talks and interviews from Nostrica

Derek Ross 2y ago

Good point. 🫂 This is why you make the big sats. 🤙🏻

yutaro 2y ago

💜👏👏👏

CitizenPleb 2y ago

Zapped ⚡️

Thank you for your service. 🫡

graben 2y ago

Zapped!

398ja 2y ago

I think subscriptions and client specific paid features are the most viable path forward.

rabble 2y ago

Open Collective? Maybe for a bunch of these nostr projects which aren’t big enough for a company but to big to be an unpaid side project.

UNCLE ROCKSTAR 2y ago

I like the decentralization of small independent projects... and there is enough of goodwill, I'm optimistic this will be solved soon!

gsovereignty 2y ago

github.com/nostrocket 😉

Not ready yet, but I'm slowly grinding it out

Moss 2y ago

I think the Nostr economy is based on getting a percentage of the commission from each user to zap⚡️. Nostr developers build good products, more people use Nostr, people zap⚡️ People and posts here, developers get a portion of the sats commission reward from zap, and then go on to develop products and provide services. This is a virtuous economic cycle. The more people use it, the more rewards there are, and with good rewards you can build a better product.

Value creates value, and happily Will says this is already on Nostr's roadmap.

rabble 2y ago

I’m super curious about the subscription plans. Have you sketched it out somewhere?

Blake 2y ago

My notes are dogs breakfast, however I have a few people now interested in collaborating on a NIP for better client app subscription visibility and management (with a prepaid credit option too).

I think this NIP (or similar) and client app adoption can really take payments to the next level. Pay for relays, pay for client apps, pay for hosting services, pay for translation, etc. Add in budgeting, upcoming and usage data - and you have a solid interface. #[5] is already doing something similar for Snort by storing subscription data encrypted in events.

We need a Nostr dev economy, or in a year, many of the best minds/relays/services will have to spend less time and personal funds.

https://gist.github.com/blakejakopovic/a0deee4c945c122a59ed2dcf442d2e2a

UNCLE ROCKSTAR 2y ago

Thank you for being a rockstar developer, Martti! You've created a beautiful client and I'm sure sustainability will be figured out soon... in the meantime will keep rounding up your donations to 2.1M sats 😉

RAM02 2y ago

Ask and you shall receive 🙏🏽

mdc 2y ago

zapped! :) iris is the shiz, good work and i hope to see it improve further

Garuḍa 2y ago

This is great!

Andrew 2y ago

You should add the option to send a percentage of every zap to Iris dev, like how Snort did it!

xiangcai 2y ago

like, boost and zap the dev!!!!

nakad.ai🔱🦁🛡️🏯📿 2y ago

#[3]

Tunnel 2y ago

@jack offers a nice bounty for a nostr-based github equivalent. That would benefit everybody.

Sirius 2y ago

Thank you for the overwhelming support again, Nostr folks are the best! So many sats, much appreciated. I have applied to OpenSats and also got other good suggestions. Btw, please don't feel obligated to send me your last sats — I'm hoping to reach open source dev funds and other big stackers 🙂

Change this if you want 2y ago

🫂

[NPC] Tony 2y ago

I was building nostr over p2p/webrtc before nostr was released.

In today's hostile NAT-environments and without holepunching webrtc is glitchy at best;

Without a decentralized kernel fit for mobile devices; you might as well try compile strfry to wasm and run a full relay in browser.

I support your journey, feel free to pick my brain. 🙏