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So the Trump's 'crypto* EO is out, and I'm seeing lots of weak bitches cry that its a shitcoin reserve.

Given the fact that the proposed digital assets stockpile would possibly be built on *seized* coins, let me give you a quick introduction to forfeiture law, and why crying for daddy to please please make its pile of flying horseshit "bitcoin only" *literally* the most retarded thing you could be wishing for, ever.

Forfeiture law – or civil asset forfeiture, to be precise – is this fun little game the government plays in which it does not have to accuse you of a crime to confiscate your property.

Instead of accusing you of a crime, the Government claims that the asset itself has facilitated a crime, and can therefore be seized by the Government.

In civil asset forfeiture, there is no innocent until proven guilty. To get your property back, *you* have to prove that the Government is wrong – which turns out pretty complicated seeing how its impossible to prove a negative.

Civil asset forfeiture results in cases that are not filed against a person, but filed against the property itself. This results in fun little cases like US vs. Binance Account XYZ, or US vs. 123 Wilmington Drive.

To extend this idea to Bitcoin, in a civil forfeiture case, the US Government is in theory able to seize *any bitcoin* that has *ever* come out of a criminal transaction.

Made some bitcoin for selling a service? Bought some bitcoin on a P2P exchange? Unless you checked that the UTXO you received has never touched a criminal transaction in its entire history, your coins can be confiscated, and there's pretty much nothing you can do about it.

As Cato Institute points out in its piece on civil forfeiture reform, forfeiture law is routinely misused to enrich the Government – Philadelphia, for example, has seized over 1000 homes, over 3000 vehicles, and over $44M in cash over an 11 year period. In 2010, the city tried to seize *an entire fucking house* because a woman's grandson sold less than $200 of weed out of the basement.

If you think that taxes are bad, civil asset forfeiture is straight up evil.

It doesn't matter whether you participated in a crime. It doesn't matter whether you know that someone else participated in a crime. If it involved your property, even if said property was fully legally acquired, the Government will come and take it.

Civil asset forfeiture is the most insane Government funding technique that is out there, and you most definitely do not want this declared as a strategic means to pump the Government's bitcoin bags.

You are *literally* asking the Government to steal your coins with a practice that *every* libertarian advocate wants to see abolished.

Respectfully the only weak bitch I see is the one holding a cheap glass of wine

Civil asset forfeiture blah blah blah cute essay. You say civil asset forfeiture guess what I say self custody.

The shitcoin reserves gives more undeserved legitimacy to shitcoins and proves that the bulk of trumps political donations from the “crypto” space came from shitcoin creators CEOs and influencers

It’s all good tho Bitcoin will win in the end. So I could care less about the SBR. It’s just cringey that’s all

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I look forward to you telling that to the agents that show up to your house with guns cutie pie

The 2nd Amendment and Self Custody sweetheart tell them to come let’s shoot it out

Easy to say, hard to do.

If I’m willing to die for anything it’s my

Family and life savings lol I don’t think it’s that hard. If someone tried to break in your house and rob you .. it wouldn’t be hard to defend yourself.

Suppose you succeed in defending yourself. Then what?

Then I continue to life my life and keep

My stack

They kill me in a shootout guess what they still don’t have my corn

THIS IS A GOOD TAKE. AT THE END OF THE DAY, TEENAGERS WITH MUSKETS CREATED THIS COUNTRY OVER MUCH LESSER GRIEVANCES AND SOME WILL DO IT AGAIN IF THEY MUST.

Thank you sir

What if they dont want your coin, but just make BTC illegal that way and destroy what they cannot control?

Never trust governments, they are evil and have plans to enslave the people.

Since when did the govt making something illegal ever stop it?

Good point, but adoption will deteriorate and mass adoption will be impossible by this in the forseeable future.

If they crack down adoption, hashrate will plummet and Bitcoin is vulnerable.

The wall st fuck boys are in bed now that attack vector isn’t probable

The wall street fuck boys belong to BlackRock and Vanguard.

And these two belong to each other.

Your family will lose you. Your other assets  will be seized by law enforcement. Your family will have to move. They might be charged and have to pay for legal expenses.

Have you asked them if they are fine with that?

Let’s be real it would never happen no politician wants that on their watch or in the news that bloody shootouts happen with law enforcement all over the United States because they are trying to seize public property it realistically won’t happen

Private property **