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"very dangerous" is a gross mischaracterization of njump.me

This is nonsense talk.

It WAS Malos who publicly signed notes disclosing information about himself, information that is forever stored in hundreds of relays.

Are all relays now very dangerous because they store potentially identifying information about you?

njump.me isn’t producing any new information other than the one it had access to… provided by no other than Malos himself…

Let’s stop blaming the tool.

What can Malos, avi chand or you do about it? You could ASK the developer of njump.me to provide a facility to opt-out for your pubkey.

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Angela 1y ago

Gotta love those gross mischaracterizations 😊

NotBiebs and 69 others 1y ago

Also, I don’t think it’s broken. It just caches the info for a week. Maybe they should reduce the cache for profiles to a day. That seems reasonable.

🐢 1y ago

Clients that fail to update their cache in a timely manner is a broken client in my opinion. This is especially true for lightning address updates and zaps.

When clients retain stale and outdated information in their cache, they themselves are outdated and stale.

It’s important for nostr that clients update to the networks’ current state efficiently and quickly.

NotBiebs and 69 others 1y ago

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semisol 1y ago

For LN addresses it makes sense

retired npub 1y ago

My profile on njump.me is like 6 months or older

NotBiebs and 69 others 1y ago

that sounds like a bug then

cc: nostr:npub10000003zmk89narqpczy4ff6rnuht2wu05na7kpnh3mak7z2tqzsv8vwqk

retired npub 1y ago

It IS a bug. nostr:nprofile1qqsrhuxx8l9ex335q7he0f09aej04zpazpl0ne2cgukyawd24mayt8gprfmhxue69uhhq7tjv9kkjepwve5kzar2v9nzucm0d5hszxmhwden5te0wfjkccte9emk2um5v4exucn5vvhxxmmd9us2xuyp told me so. nostr:nprofile1qqsqqqqqqzp8l74ff0l29zxrml8yggk8jnamje39k6e3ayzf7u5awqqpzemhxue69uhkwun9v4h8xmm4dsh8xurpvdjj7qgnwaehxw309ahkvenrdpskjm3wwp6kytcppemhxue69uhkummn9ekx7mp0sy68x3 doesn't have a damn clue

Cameri🐦‍🔥 1y ago

The profile events with his info are still out there in relays. Even if njump is fixed his information is still out there.

njump isn’t the source of truth. Even if it has a cache bug my point still stands.

Your ad hominem attacks only serve to demonstrate the frailty of your argument. Do better.

Stop blaming the tools for people’s mistakes. He doxxed himself and that’s a fact.

retired npub 1y ago

Why the heck should his profile metadata (name, pfp, banner, NIP-05, NIP-57) be "out there" on hundreds of relays? Doesn't make sense. I can understand if his npub and post nevent are out there, but NOT his profile metadata.

The moment he changes his profile metadata, it should change across Nostr when cache invalidation happens. That's what the poor guy thought.

But njump.me did not change his profile metadata

If nostr:nprofile1qqsrhuxx8l9ex335q7he0f09aej04zpazpl0ne2cgukyawd24mayt8gprfmhxue69uhhq7tjv9kkjepwve5kzar2v9nzucm0d5hszxmhwden5te0wfjkccte9emk2um5v4exucn5vvhxxmmd9us2xuyp says it's a bug, I think your opinion is absolutely redundant, pal

fiatjaf 1y ago

Where and how do you think the metadata is stored?

retired npub 1y ago

Surely there should be some way to keep the metadata consistent

It's all buggy otherwise

retired npub 1y ago

I think more people should know about nosta.me

And then there's fekkin habla.news

That's not updating metadata either

Cameri🐦‍🔥 1y ago

The fact there’s a bug on njump is a non-sequitur to my argument. The tool is not to very dangerous because a user chose to dox themselves in the past and then wanted to backtrack. The accountability cannot be shifted from the user who consented, signed, and published their own information to a tool that merely displays it.

retired npub 1y ago

Lol 😂

I like you for using big words like ad-hominem and non-sequitur ... lmao 😂

You're still not getting my point though

Why the HECK should different versions of profile metadata (name, pfp, NIP-05, NIP-57) exist on relays? Why? The only data needed to display your notes are npub and nevent

Nosta.me allows you to make your profile metadata consistent across relays and make it current. Pls use that tool

njump.me is the ONLY broken tool that displays your info that's like 6 months old

And I said it's very dangerous because it's broken. There's nothing wrong with the tool otherwise

retired npub 1y ago

There's a Greek word for this 😂

You-got-owned-uspus

nobody 1y ago

Does nostream delete the previous metadata events when a new one is posted?

retired npub 1y ago

Give it a shot and then check how many versions of your profile are there with nosta.me

retired npub 1y ago

Backtracking with your profile metadata should be a legit option

It's not notes, it's your profile

Well, fuck you

retired npub 1y ago

And go to nosta.me

It will tell you, "there are x versions of your profile on y relays. Pls edit to make them consistent". I wasn't attacking you, just saying you're unaware of this

NotBiebs and 69 others 1y ago

that's pretty cool. didn't realize nosta.me did that. never did click into where that info is displayed. it found an outdated version of my profile on one relay and i was able to use nak to broadcast my most recent profile to that relay.

retired npub 1y ago

nak is a command-line thing?

NotBiebs and 69 others 1y ago

Yeah it’s awesome https://github.com/fiatjaf/nak

Nosta 1y ago

We have an idea for a profile health check that would also point these things out and let you fix them with a click. Hopefully can get around to implementing that soon, it should be very helpful. https://github.com/GBKS/nosta-me/issues/35

NotBiebs and 69 others 1y ago

There’s probably people out there that cache every version of someone’s profile. The better way to avoid getting doxxed from old events you’ve posted is to create an alt account and start posting from there.

realjode 1y ago

Nostr is your way of signing everything you say - not many understand this

Cameri🐦‍🔥 1y ago

can’t throw a stone and hide your hand

realjode 1y ago

Nope , even if it’s a round the back

utxo the webmaster 🧑‍💻 1y ago

When your cache invalidation is dangerous 💀

Cameri🐦‍🔥 1y ago

very

retired npub 1y ago

What does this have to do with relays?? Lol 😂. I should be able to change my profile metadata whenever I want to ... not my notes, but definitely my profile metadata

Cache invalidation is not happening on njump.me ... nostr:nprofile1qqsrhuxx8l9ex335q7he0f09aej04zpazpl0ne2cgukyawd24mayt8gprfmhxue69uhhq7tjv9kkjepwve5kzar2v9nzucm0d5hszxmhwden5te0wfjkccte9emk2um5v4exucn5vvhxxmmd9us2xuyp himself admitted it's a bug. He's the developer of njump.me

What nonsense are you talking?

retired npub 1y ago

njump.me is NOT serving the latest profile metadata. Cache invalidation is not happening. nostr:nprofile1qqsrhuxx8l9ex335q7he0f09aej04zpazpl0ne2cgukyawd24mayt8gprfmhxue69uhhq7tjv9kkjepwve5kzar2v9nzucm0d5hszxmhwden5te0wfjkccte9emk2um5v4exucn5vvhxxmmd9us2xuyp said it's a bug

It's not about the notes, you clown

At least, the latest profile should be served

Do you realise you just jumped in with your half-assed information?

Cameri🐦‍🔥 1y ago

Fact: Njump didn’t doxx him. He did.

fiatjaf 1y ago

I gave him the facility: nostr:nevent1qqst6helvqucv2gy59xckqxtkql0sdw7k7zpjk8t5dp9qrqavgl8e4gpz9mhxue69uhnzdps9enrw73wd9hj7qgswaehxw309asjumn0wvhxcmmv9uq3wamnwvaz7tmzd96xxmmfdejhytnnda3kjctv9u3tnhlr

NotBiebs and 69 others 1y ago

I tried this for my outdated profile on njump and it's not returning my kind 0 anymore for njump.me with nak, but on njump.me it's still loading my outdated profile when I go to https://njump.me/npub1vp8fdcyejd4pqjyrjk9sgz68vuhq7pyvnzk8j0ehlljvwgp8n6eqsrnpsw. It loads correctly on njump.me if I use an nprofile with relay hints though https://njump.me/nprofile1qqsxqn5kuzvex6ssfzpetzcypdrkwts0qjxf3tre8umllex8yqneavspz3mhxue69uhhyetvv9ujuerpd46hxtnfdurp22h6

fiatjaf 1y ago

Thank you. Yes, that's probably because of a secondary Cloudflare-powered HTML cache, but that one should be invalidated soon.

Derek Ross 1y ago

Cache has existed since the inception of the web. Calling old cache dangerous is a gross misunderstanding of web technologies.

retired npub 1y ago

Cache invalidation is not happening on njump.me

No one has a problem with cache, genius

Njump.me has a bug as confirmed by nostr:nprofile1qqsrhuxx8l9ex335q7he0f09aej04zpazpl0ne2cgukyawd24mayt8gprfmhxue69uhhq7tjv9kkjepwve5kzar2v9nzucm0d5hszxmhwden5te0wfjkccte9emk2um5v4exucn5vvhxxmmd9us2xuyp

And nostr:nprofile1qqsqqqqqqzp8l74ff0l29zxrml8yggk8jnamje39k6e3ayzf7u5awqqpzemhxue69uhkwun9v4h8xmm4dsh8xurpvdjj7qgnwaehxw309ahkvenrdpskjm3wwp6kytcppemhxue69uhkummn9ekx7mp0sy68x3 is super stupid to assume anyone has a problem with the way njump.me works

The point is cache invalidation is not happening. That bug is the problem, not njump itself

Cameri🐦‍🔥 1y ago

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