John 10:30

"I and the Father are one."

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By far the least understood verse of the Bible. Many branches of the faith are hanging on the false idea that JC and God are the same entity. JC is God's first creation and a moral compass to His followers, but they are not one and the same. You are one with The Father only as a state of mind when you walk precisely the righteous path. This goes without saying that the trinity concept is not only heretic, but dumb beyond comprehension. Maybe only assigning a female form to the Holy Spirit would match this enormous stupidity.

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Ummm the Holy Trinity is not real? 🤔

As far as I know, no. God can play any role, but we cannot play Him. Each time people tried this it ended up in flames, war and destruction. Maybe there's a lesson in this, probably not fully learned.

I think about it like this: God is the ultimate reality, JC is the best model for humans and Holy Spirit is the "telephone" between the two and between Him and all of His creatures. This model is also wrong but for the sake of metaphors I'm happy to play with it for a while.

Jews think there's a better model than JC to come, that's why they don't recognize his role. Christians are the sacrificial lamb in this story. Muslims on the other hand might have started as a protest for all the editing done during 0 and ~600 AD in early Christianity, but I'm still searching to see if this theory has any ground at all.

Think of how bitcoin started and then how many people tried to change it over the years to fit their agendas. It the same story all over again. This time is different though. 😅

I think of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit as being one. Do you know that gut feeling that always tries to talk to you, that’s the Holy Spirit…

Anyways, any religion that doesn’t recognize JC as our lord and savior is in the wrong. No way around it tbh

Absolutely JC is the Lord and Savior! No questions around this.

The trinity thing is presented like a 3in1 shampoo. This is not accurate imo. JC stated very clearly that he's the son. Being created first, he's got immense powers. Knowing when the end of times will occur is not one of them.

John 14:6

“I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.”

Being the perfect model, this makes perfect sense. There is no better way to act for a human. His sacrifice made possible for the Christ Principle to be with every human ever since. Not only he knew he was going to get crucified, he chose this destiny.

"Spirit" is a feminine noun in Lithuanian.

We've dealt with Arianism before: [Athanasian Creed](https://www.ligonier.org/learn/articles/athanasian-creed). Yes, of course, there is "oneness of mind" and "oneness of purpose" -- but was that the offense that got him crucified?

The inspired, inerrant, and infallible Word of God tells us:

> The Word Made Flesh

> In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, *and the Word was God*. He was in the beginning with God. All things were made through him, and without him was not any thing made that was made. ([John 1:1–3](https://www.esv.org/John+1/), ESV)

> The Preeminence of Christ

> He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation. For by him all things were created, in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities—all things were created through him and for him. And he is before all things, and in him all things hold together. And he is the head of the body, the church. He is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, that in everything he might be preeminent. ([Colossians 1:15–18](https://esv.org/Colossians+1), ESV)

Hear also the Westminster Larger Catechism (a faithful summary of the whole counsel of God):

> *Q. 8. Are there more Gods than one?*

> A. There is but one only, the living and true God.

> *Q. 9. How many persons are there in the Godhead?*

> A. There be three persons in the Godhead, the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost; and these three are one true, eternal God, the same in substance, equal in power and glory; although distinguished by their personal properties.

> *Q. 10. What are the personal properties of the three persons in the Godhead?*

> A. It is proper to the Father to beget the Son, and to the Son to be begotten of the Father, and to the Holy Ghost to proceed from the Father and the Son from all eternity.

> *Q. 11. How doth it appear that the Son and the Holy Ghost are God equal with the Father?*

> A. The Scriptures manifest that the Son and the Holy Ghost are God equal with the Father, ascribing unto them such names, attributes, works, and worship, as are proper to God only.

As for the "moral compass for all his followers," Jesus was not the first Christian. He is primarily an object of faith, not an example of it. Christianity is not a way of life, it is a body of truth to be believed. That belief will certainly affect the way one lives, but that is not the essence of it. It used to be popular to ask, "What Would Jesus Do?" but the more important question is "What DID Jesus Do?" He absorbed the wrath of God in place of his own enemies in order "that whoever believes in him may have eternal life."

Thanks for asking, @DRE. 👍

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