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People just need to admit that they’re scared of needles.

Vaccines are safe and effective. An actual scientific / medical miracle.

You can’t make a scientific claim when the very science needed to suggest it is safe hasn’t been done, and in fact those responsible refuse to do it and make excuses.

You can’t get both. Saying something is absolutely safe requires the serious, randomized placebo controlled trials that would be the beginning of showing this. And then the long term prospective comparison studies. These would be the absolute least possible to be able to back up that claim. And all of the above they refuse to do.

This isn’t to say vaccines don’t work, which some people think they don’t but I don’t see the evidence for that. There are some that seem totally ambiguous, but most work. And the very reason they do work (the adjuvants) is exactly why people are concerned about the safety an the fact that the companies responsible refuse to properly test them, and then demand legal immunity at the same time. That doesn’t pass the common sense test.

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HappyClouds 2w ago 💬 1

Nothing is 100% safe for all people. But it’s like 99.9% and vaccines have saved innumerable lives. Thanks to vaccine skeptics now we are seeing measles again and soon enough we may see polio. It’ll take much suffering to undo the damage inflicted by anti vaxxers.

Guy Swann 2w ago 💬 1

Where do we get this 99.9% number when the very science needed to make that claim has never been done? If one resorts to just pulling numbers out of one’s ass, you ought to realize such a thing is a *belief* and not science. I realize that you and I were told this is true, but why is the largest demographics of those who are certain vaccines cause significant damage, made up of mothers of autistic children? There’s quite possibly no group *less* incentivized to believe such a thing as this group, yet here we are.

And if we just look at the general health of the population over the last 30-40 years and the explosion of chronic disease, it’ll have to be profound for “the damage” of people skeptical of those who refuse to back up their claims to compare to the damage of the health establishment’s practices and standards and their results.

Kush 2w ago

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