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Except you get things in exchange for taxes, so this isn’t accurate.
I get nothing positive in exchange for the extortion. So, it is accurate for me and most of the people I know.
Yes you do. I’m sure you’ve gotten mail from USPS before. You definitely benefit from military protection internationally and at the border. You use roads which are mostly state funded. You get police protection, firefighters, most electric grid infrastructure, most judicial services, international affair management, tons of public transportation. Even if you don’t use public transportation it still benefits you that it exists. Not sure if you went to public school, but most people do. You get that too.
No. The USPS only exists because of the unfair monopoly granted to it.
I was in the army. I did not benefit at all. In fact, I am much worse off now. We are not supposed to have standing armies. None. Zero. Zilch. Nada. We don't need them. We can't afford them. They do nothing to protect us. A navy? Sure. We can talk about that.
All federal transportation fails. I do not want the TSA. I don't need the DHS, CIA, NSA, etc. I do not want to pay for them. I don't need diplomats in other countries. I don't need the fedgov to broker trade deals. I need literally nothing from them. At all. You are a statist and your insistence on the state is gross, unthoughtful, immature, unwise, and antithetical to being an American. Please wake up.
Thank you for your service! I love you, and I respect you and your opinions! If I may…
1) Your bad experience in the army is valid, but is not an argument against the benefit that an army gives a nation. Without a military, your nation and its borders are not safe.
2) All federal transportation does not fail. Also, the fact that it currently is being run poorly is not an argument against it existing in general. Even if you never use it, you benefit from it.
3) you do need diplomats in other countries. Countries do not exist in a vacuum, and they need ways to communicate between themselves. We call the people that do this diplomats.
I suppose I am a bit of a minarchist, so if that’s a statist, then cool I guess. My thoughts are thoughtful and in good faith though. I don’t see how or why they are gross. Definitely not anti-American as the first thing the founding fathers did was build a government, a “state” if you will.
I’m open to having my mind changed though! Let’s drop the name calling though, it’s really not necessary. Why can’t we just drop the egos and be open minded? I’m willing to change my mind if you can convince me!
We do not need a military, unless that's only to keep our southern border secure. But even that could, and in my opinion SHOULD be handled by the states on the boarder. There's no reason for any other country to invade. A small navy can provide enough protection without wasting money. That's easily funded by a small tariff in imported goods.
Roads existed for over a century in the US without income taxes. Railroads were mostly private investments, but were crammed through via imminent domain, which, it's another form of extortion.
In the digital age, we don't need embassies everywhere. We just don't. It's valid to have diplomats, but not full time.
Being a minarchist is fine, but, you're not quite there yet.
Any state, especially national gubments, is a boot on the neck of the people, and I will not tolerate it.
I think you just made arguments for why taxes should exist for me. I think my work here is done.
I don't agree, but that's fine.
How? You just argued for things that we should have taxes for? A military to protect the border, a small navy, part time dimplomats. Also you mentioned roads were built without income tax, but that’s not without taxes in general. You can argue against income tax without arguing against taxes in general. Are you sure you really disagree?
No. We should not have taxes for ANY OF THAT. My point was and is that you don't need to tax anyone to have those things, at the very least not at the national level, and not at a third of your income.
All of those things existed without income taxes. Taxes are only necessary to strip citizens of value. Taxation is theft. Period.
Our borders are not safe because the US has been destabilizing foreign countries for decades & purposely importing criminals in order to manipulate people & justify further controls.
Violently funded monopolies (govts & the quangos they support) are unaccountable & in the long run cannot be anything but corrupt, wasteful, & destructive. The way you hold any organization accountable is to withdraw financial support. How would your local grocery store be different if they got your money whether they offered anything you wanted or not? Govt is not some some sort of magic that is above basic human incentives. People will do whatever they can get away with. And if they get your money no matter what you actually want then they can ultimately get away with basically anything.
If I steal 50% of your income & threaten to kill you or throw you in a cage if you object, but then I mow your yard does that make it okay? Consent & voluntary exchange are critical to civilized life, anything outside of that is criminal.
Ludwig Von Mises himself, in his book Human Action, is quoted as saying that we all benefit from the division of labor that is brought about by, and only possible because of, collective society. Seeing as we all benefit from the division of labor collectively, what value are you willing to pay in exchange for having access to this society from which we all benefit? Certainly you are willing to pay something in exchange for this service? We call that taxes. The question is how much, not if.
How do you benefit from paying for the US army killing people in a country you'll probably never visit?
The cold reality is we are all slaves - taxes PROVE this.
At what percentage of your labor forcefully take AT GUNPOINT are you not a slave? 
Do you have a response to any of the points I laid out?
Taxes are extortion. Pure and simple. If you don’t pay you go to jail.
Statism is the most dangerous religion humans practice.
Every single law is a potential death sentence to someone out there.
The free market would provide everything one is extorted for better faster and cheaper.
extortion:
noun
Illegal use of one's official position or powers to obtain property, funds, or patronage.
That’s the definition of extortion. I think taxes fail to meet this definition, because you get something in return for them. The rest of what you said isn’t an argument. It’s just your feelings.
You should change your avatar, you are not living up to Chad. Sorry.
Name-calling is an Ad Hominem type of Red Herring logical fallacy, and is not a valid argument. Dude, like I’m right-wing as fuck, and I’m a bitcoin maxi. Get better arguments. Stay humble. Stay open minded. Think critically. Question things. I’m still letting you try to convince me otherwise, so far you just haven’t given me a good argument I can’t refute in 0.2 seconds.
“Property taxes' rank right up there with 'income taxes' in terms of immorality and destructiveness. Where 'income taxes' are simply slavery using different words, 'property taxes' are just a Mafia turf racket using different words. For the former, if you earn a living on the gang's turf, they extort you. For the latter, if you own property in their territory, they extort you. The fact that most people still imagine both to be legitimate and acceptable shows just how powerful authoritarian indoctrination is. Meanwhile, even a brief objective examination of the concepts should make anyone see the lunacy of it. 'Wait, so every time I produce anything or trade with anyone, I have to give a cut to the local crime lord??' 'Wait, so I have to keep paying every year, for the privilege of keeping the property I already finished paying for??' And not only do most people not make such obvious observations, but if they hear someone else pointing out such things, the well-trained Stockholm Syndrome slaves usually make arguments condoning their own victimization. Thus is the power of the mind control that comes from repeated exposure to BS political mythology and propaganda.”
Larken Rose
Sure, you can debate the way in which taxes are collected and I encourage you to do so; that is perfectly valid…property tax, income tax, consumer tax, etc…. But that’s not the root of the argument though. The root of the argument is whether they should exist. And they should. You have failed to demonstrate why they should not.
Taxes are you paying for goods and services provided by the government to the benefit of everyone. It is an exchange. An exchange is not theft. An exchange is not slavery. Did slave masters pay their slaves? Yes, sometimes, but mostly no. But the difference is, you couldn’t vote for a different slave master, and you couldn’t negotiate with your slave master on the terms of the exchange. Taxation, therefore, is not slavery. But I am willing to be challenged on this and end up wrong! I have an open mind and am but a poor pleb who stays humble and stacks bitcoin.
LOL. You need to look harder at the human farm you live on. 
This is not an argument against what I said. Like I said, I’m willing to have my mind changed! You just have to actually present me with ideas that make sense lol. So far you have failed to do so. Are you not being open minded? Are you not willing to change your mind and have your beliefs challenged? I am.
You work from January 1 until sometime in April to pay the government off and stay out of jail. If that is not slavery I do not know what is.
Sure, you can debate how much tax you pay, and I encourage you to do so. And you can debate whether the goods and services you are receiving are worth what you are paying, and I encourage you to do so. But that’s not an argument against taxes.
It’s great to criticize that, and you should, but it’s not a case against taxes. A government could collect taxes to build a standing army for the purposes of national defense and border protection to the benefit of all of the citizens of the nation, and could do so without committing war crimes. What would be the alternative method for raising a standing army?
Again, if the army is necessary, people will support and even join it voluntarily.
Not really. Someone could simply choose to not pay for the standing army and still reap the benefits of being protected. People would be incentivized to do this, and we, as bitcoiners, know that people follow incentives.
The sane is happening right now. People who don't pay taxes benefit from being protected.
The incentive is clear, to live in peace. Paying taxes do not guarante that.
Also, the army has to exist before it is necessary.
If push comes to shove, like where they start trying to tax unrealized gains and coming after people, it's not outside the scope of possibility that I would transfer everything into Bitcoin and destroy the seed phrase... just to spite the cunts.