Great pod with Odell other day. GM

AI should not be run on NOSTR.

yes it does! would love to discuss with you on my podcast. how about in person in costa rica soon? https://www.youtube.com/@GreenCandle

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Absolutely. Developers should be joyous.

Any tips for those newer to the space and how they can get started?

or directions on how they maybe able to use this?

Great advice. Use an ultra-centralized Chinese platform

nostr:npub1hgvtv4zn2l8l3ef34n87r4sf5s00xq3lhgr3mvwt7kn8gjxpjprqc89jnv my continued giggling is on you! I cannot unsee it!! Damn deepsteak!

Market close: $NVDA: -16.91% | $AAPL: +3.21%

Why is DeepSeek great for Apple?

Here's a breakdown of the chips that can run DeepSeek V3 and R1 on the market now:

NVIDIA H100: 80GB @ 3TB/s, $25,000, $312.50 per GB

AMD MI300X: 192GB @ 5.3TB/s, $20,000, $104.17 per GB

Apple M2 Ultra: 192GB @ 800GB/s, $5,000, $26.04(!!) per GB

Apple's M2 Ultra (released in June 2023) is 4x more cost efficient per unit of memory than AMD MI300X and 12x more cost efficient than NVIDIA H100!

Why is this relevant to DeepSeek?

DeepSeek V3/R1 are MoE models with 671B total parameters, but only 37B are active each time a token is generated. We don't know exactly which 37B will be active when we generate a token, so they all need to be ready in high-speed GPU memory.

We can't use normal system RAM because it's too slow to load the 37B active parameters (we'd get <1 tok/sec). On the other hand GPUs have fast memory but GPU memory is expensive. Apple Silicon, however, uses Unified Memory and UltraFusion to fuse dies - a tradeoff that favors a large amount of medium-fast memory at a cheaper cost.

Unified memory shares a single pool of memory between the CPU and GPU rather than having separate memory for each. There's no need to have separate memory and copy data between the CPU and GPU.

UltraFusion is Apple's proprietary interconnect technology for connecting two dies with a super high speed, low latency connection (2.5TB/s). Apple's M2 Ultra is literally two Apple M2 Max dies fused together with UltraFusion. This is what enables Apple to achieve such a high amount of memory (192GB) and memory-bandwidth (800GB/s).

Apple M4 Ultra is rumored to use the same UltraFusion technology to fuse together two M4 Max dies. This would give the M4 Ultra 256GB(!!) of unified memory @ 1146GB/s. Two of these could run DeepSeek V3/R1 (4-bit) at 57 tok/sec.

All of this and Apple has managed to package this in a small form-factor for consumers with great power efficiency and great open-source (uncharacteristic of Apple!) software. MLX has made it possible to leverage Apple Silicon for ML workloads and exolabs has made it possible to cluster together multiple Apple Silicon devices to run large models, demonstrating DeepSeek R1 (671B) running on 7 M4 Mac Minis.

It's unclear who will build the best AI models, but it seems likely that AI will run on American hardware, on Apple Silicon.

nostr will come to secondary brain database

I would love to see more Nostr+AI.

Having something like DeepSeek on Nostr will be very useful. I became used to use Grok on X and it will be awesome to have our open version of it here

Viable business models are key 🔑

It already know more about Nostr then ChatGPT from my experience.

If ChatGPT collects all tge information from users and is able to put together profiles on their users, I assume Deepseek does as well. Is giving China all that data a wise thing to do as an individual?

Sounds interesting. Could you please give an example?

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🧐🤔🧐🤔🧐Interesting. Yes. 🙌

Keep AI out of here and let it be a last place of heaven.

Short selling on nostr? 😂

Do any?

Like how?